Luftwaffe museums in Germany

[Richard T Eger]

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Canon
Luftwaffe museums in Germany
Thu Jul 6 22:07:22 2000


Hi all!!

I want to go this summer to Germany (Berlin or Dresden), (um Deutsch zu lernen) where can I found museums with luftwaffe airplanes, Panzers or ww2 history??

Thanks!!!

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Thomas Sivhed
Museum in Germany
Fri Jul 7 04:14:16 2000


Hello
In "Berlin Gatow" you can find a Me 163 and a
Me 109 (spanish)
In "Hannover Laatzen" there are one Me 109 and one Fw 190.
In Munich at the "Deutsches Museum" you will find a Me 262
and a 109. And if you are in Dresden you are not fare from Prag who has one Me 262 and one 109 both tjeck-built.
The German Army Tank museum is situated in "Munster Lager"
half way between Hannover and Hamburg

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Kirsche
MVT Berlin
Fri Jul 7 16:01:18 2000


In Berlin is the Technikmuseum with a Ju 52 a Ju 87 and many other planes. In the TrebbinerStraße in Kreuzberg.

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Dirky
Deutschland
Fri Jul 7 07:45:46 2000


here's a good one to start: http://www.deutsches-museum.de/e_index.htm
and next: http://www.dtmb.de/deutsches-technikmuseum/Rundgang/index.html
and more:
a fine one in "Laatzen"
and another one "Auto-and Technik" in Sinsheim.

Need more, let me know, I've got a friend who bought a museum-guide the other day...

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Bat
Locations
Fri Jul 7 07:50:22 2000


Deutsches Museum (with excellent aviation dept.) is in Munich, South-East Germany

Sinsheim (a good one!) is between Mannheim and Stuttgart (closer to Mannheim), S-West Germany.

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Alexander W. Hohl
Book about german museums
Fri Jul 7 17:28:18 2000


Canon,

there exist a book about all aviation museums in Germany. You can find there how you reach
these museums, address, what is exhibited inside the museum, costs etc.

The name of this book is 'Lexikon der Luftfahrtmuseen in Deutschland' written by Rudolf Storck and published under ISBN 3-925505-22-9 by Aviatic Verlag, Munich.

My oppinion about Sindsheim and Speyer is nice, but the museum disappoints, cause they show
a Ju 52 or parts of a Bf 110 in Speyer but you can't get any detailed informations f.e. where was it found, which kind of aircraft is it etc.

Regards,

Alex

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Dirky
Re: Luftwaffe museums in Germany
Fri Jul 7 08:29:23 2000


here you have them (nearly) all: http://home.braunschweig.okersurf.de/~thomas.wieneke/

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Marcus Wendel
Try this list
Fri Jul 7 10:27:08 2000


Try this list of museums: http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/museums.htm

/Marcus

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Günther Rosipal
Re: Luftwaffe museums in Germany
Fri Jul 7 15:23:06 2000


Join us at the "Luftfahrtmuseum Laatzen-Hannover".

Try our homepage: http://www.luftfahrtmuseum-hannover.de

We show a Bf 109 G and a Fw 190A (this time the only one in static display), we have also really lots of Luftwaffe-memorabilas (many personal items of exponated
Luftwaffe-members)


Günther

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Anonymous
Deutsches Museum
Sun Jul 9 22:45:06 2000


This museum is located in Munich, the site is at www.deutsches-museum.de. (http://www.deutsches-museum.de.) You can see there a Storch, a Ju52, a Bf 108 a Bf 109 and some other planes, both old
and modern.

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Hannu Mallat
Das Virtuelle Luftfahrtmuseum
Mon Jul 10 08:59:15 2000


The site at http://www.aviation.inhh.de/ has a nice
feature: select a particular aircraft and it lists
the museums showing one.

As a related question, does anyone have experience on
how different museums treat photographers? I plan on
modeling certain tanks and planes on computer and would
like to get as much reference material as possible ==
use film like crazy! It'd be a shame to go all the way to,
e.g., Berlin-Gatow and find out I can't take any pictures.

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Canon
Thanks to all!!!
Tue Jul 11 21:47:22 2000


Thanks to all for the info!!

Finally I will go to Dreden.

Danke für alles!!!

[Richard T Eger]

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Marcus Wendel
Museums & Memorials
Sat Jul 15 15:36:15 2000


I'm working on a listing of all museums with German WW2 equipment.
The info I have so far is published here: http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/museums.htm

Any additional info on related museums and/or memorials would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

/Marcus

[Richard T Eger]

Complementing Marcus Wendel's Museums & Memorials page on his Third Reich Factbook website is Mikael Olrog's Preserved Axis Aircraft Throughout the World website.

Where the museums and memorials page looks at these facilities country by country, noting the aircraft in each museum or memorial, Mikael's website organizes by type of aircraft, engine, or missile, noting at which museums or other facility these are located at.

The address for Mikael's website is: http://www.axisaircraft.com

Regards,
Richard

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[Richard T Eger]

Peter Evans' Luftwaffe Experten Mailing List website has a Worldwide Captive Luftwaffe webpage listing, by aircraft type, Luftwaffe aircraft in museums or other facilities around the world. In this regard, the listing is very similar to that provided in Mikael Olrog's Preserved Axis Aircraft Throughout the World website. The URL for the Worldwide Captive Luftwaffe webpage is:

http://www.experten.fsnet.co.uk/restore.html

Regards,
Richard

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[Richard T Eger]

The Hugo Junkers Homepage by Horst Zoeller presents information and photos of Remaining Junkers Aircraft Worldwide, including engines. There are numerous photos of Junkers aircraft and engines both in museums and at crash sites, some of them under water. The website URL is:

http://www.junkers.de.vu

Regards,
Richard

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Werner A. Hack
Fw 19OD-9 Langnase in Museum Germany
Thu Mar 4 05:01:49 1999


Hi to all!

Well the aircraft is a Fw 19OD-9/Rl 1, engine Jumo 213A-1 is ready for display!. From cockpit to tail the fuselage is entirely new, but nose and cockpit including tail and elevators are almost entirely original. The plane was build with number 210968, and flown by Feldwebel Bruno Ostrowski at 1. group, 2. Staffel JG 26 Schlageter as Schwarze 8 (black 8). Ostrowski died when his plane touched the water surface of a lake at age 26 (all info from Erhard Cielewicz)

Donation are welcome:
Förderverein Luftwaffenmuseum
Kreissparkasse Pinneberg
BLZ 22151410
KtoNr. 8831174

All donations are used for restorations and replicas of German Luftwaffe aircraft

Become a member!:
write to:
Förderverein Luftwaffenmuseum
Postfach 45 02 22
12172 Berlin

HuBb!

Werner A. Hack

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Dave McDonald
190D
Thu Mar 4 18:45:30 1999


Hi,
Photos of the recovery of this aircraft , show the entire airframe basically intact - although in three major sections - front fuselage , including engine - fuselage from aft of the cockpit to the tail section and the tail itself. The wings were also recovered , but in a very badly distorted condition.
I am wondering why the museum was forced to build a completely new fuselage - what happened to the original? perhaps it became unusable after sitting in storage for years ? ] Anyone have a comment !
regards
Dave.

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Werner A. Hack
Langnase
Sat Mar 6 09:49:09 1999


Hey Dave!

Well the wings were twisted because the Feldwebel who flew it crashed on the water surface snapping of the wings. The fuselage was corroded by the water, although looking still pretty well preserved the inside was a mess and not strong enough to be put on display.

Sincerly,

Werner A. Hack

[Richard T Eger]

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Andre Stewart
Luftwaffe Museum at Uetersen Air Base
Tue Aug 15 08:07:26 2000


Hello!

I know this is a little off-topic, but I hope our German enthusuasts can help me out....

I understand there is a Luftwaffe Museum at Uetersen, which is near Hamburg.

I will be making a business trip to Hamburg this weekend and would really like to visit the place. Problem is - I only have 1 to 1-half days free, so I need to know:
-- how far is the museum from Hamburg HBF (train station)?
-- how long travelling time?
-- Is the museum open on Saturdays? (Yes - according to World Aviation Museums w/site)

Tried to get some info from the Web, but couldn't find anything apart from general stuff on the World Aviation Museums w/site.

Thanks in advance
andre

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stefan kruse
Uetersen
Tue Aug 15 08:29:37 2000


Hi!
I am sorry to tell you that the museum at
Uetersen has moved to Berlin-Gatow and is
named Deutsches Luftwaffenmuseum.

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Günther Rosipal
Uetersen
Tue Aug 15 08:45:02 2000


Hi,

the Luftwaffenmuseum moved to Berlin-Gatow.

But if you are interested, I can recommend those two museums
in the big area around Hamburg (150km):

Luftfahrtmuseum Laatzen-Hannover (see homepage www.luftfahrtmuseum-hannover.de) (http://www.luftfahrtmuseum-hannover.de))

includes a high quality Luftwaffe-colletion with many very rare items, also the only original Fw 190 A in Germany as static display; a Bf 109 G; a Spitfire Mk XIV and a
lot of other aircraft.

Also very interesting is the "Aeronauticum" in Nordholz, a large collection of navyflight.


Günther

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Markus Singmann
Museum moved? It's wrecked!
Tue Aug 15 10:41:20 2000


Hi,

don't waste your time with Gatow. It's trash compared to the ancient lovely and comfortable Luftwaffenmuseum at Uetersen. After the so-called re-union some German
politicians decided, that all the stuff should be concentratd in Berlin. That's why they carried the nice planes to Gatow, where they are now rottening in some hangars.
No money, they told me, to repair & display the CASA 111, the Buchon, the Fw 190 D and so many others. What you will see in Gatow is less than 30 % of the
Uetersen-stuff.

Despite of that they have enough money to buy MiG 21-hulls by a dozen. Wow, I'm so impressed!


Oh, I'm so angry!

Markus Singmann

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Andre Stewart
Thanks everyone, for your replies and recommendations (n/t
Tue Aug 15 19:18:57 2000

[Richard T Eger]

The website A Detailed Look At The Messerschmitt Bf109, by Matt C. Bole, presents exhaustive coverage of the Bf 109. The URL is:


http://members.aol.com/bf109gust/


Of particular interest to the preserved aircraft aficionado is an extensive listing of surviving Bf 109's, HA-1112's, and CS-199's.

Regards,
Richard

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Mark Sheppard
Bf110 F-2 LN+NR 'Rollout' 16.09.00
Sun Sep 17 10:44:51 2000


Hi all

Well yesterday (Saturday) I was lucky enough to go to the rollout fot he Deutsches Technische Museums Bf110 F-2 'Trop', stz TI+LE, LN+NR of 13.(Z)/JG5.

It has been on stratic rebuild for the last 18 months at Friedrichshafen on lake Constance and although not totally complete, it was in a very good and remarkable condition.


Basically the aircraft was on its wheels, both engines, propellors and bost of the metal work had been completed. The only items remaining to do which will happen over
the next few months are metalwerk to undercarriage wheelwell,and completion of the painting of the RLM74/RLN75 blotches over an RLM02 base to the fuselage sides.
They qre currently sorting out different spraying techniques for the fuselage sides (to be based most probably on the famous colour shot of LN+SR in flight). It looks as
though these blotches were on an 02 base instead of the 76 base which went up to the demarkation line at the top of the fuselage. It will also be completed with the 'dackel'
(Dachsund emblem on the side).

(I believe there is a researcher in Germany that has undertaken research on factory/luftwaffe spraying techniques, spray widths and lacuers used etc. I have his ducmeunt
somewhere in an A4 folder but cannot find it. if anyone knows of this document or the author, please let me know).

The interior to the cockpit if now complete with the instruments as well as most of the gear for the Bordfunk. They are still missing a few items such as the four MG17's and
the single MG15. They will also be looking for two SC250kg and 2 SC50kg bombs although where these will come from is not known at present. (Any suggestions?)

Also present there along with about 300 guests and locals were a numbe rof Ex-110 pilots and JG5 memembers. The three recognisable ones were Schloßtein and
Sarognik from JG5 and Wolfgang Falck.

Hopefully the Bf110 will be finished and off to Berlin later this year and I cannot wait to see it finally finished after seeing it after recovery in Autumn 1992.

I hope to have the photos back on Monday. If Christer or anyone else has a web site to put them on, I will send a jpeg.

Anyway, Switzerland and back in a day. It was well worth it.

Hope you enjoy the hptoos later.

MS

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Mark Sheppard
Bf109 E-3 W.Nr1407 completion.
Sun Sep 17 11:02:45 2000


Hi all

The Bf109 E-3 is also nearing completion.

It is likely to be completed in the last identity which is the one it was lost in.


1941-07-17 Bf 109E-4B 1407 14./JG 77 Bei Petsamo
Luftkampf. Bruch 100 %. Rot 5.

One question. Would W.Nr1407 belonging to 14./JG77 have carried the II/JG77 emblem? of the eagles head after it had left II/JG77 and went to 14./JG77.

this is the big question.

hopefully this will be completed by the 60 anniversary of its first crash landing on the 27th October whilst with 5./JG 77 on the Island of Hitra.

As soon as I have photos of this i will also let you know.

Let me know about the emblem.

MS

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steven:modeldad
Going to Prague, Munich & Salzburg...
Sat Sep 30 19:11:18 2000


... just prior to Christmas for my son's hockey trip. Any good (military) museums to drag the family to? What's the weather like in mid December?

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Franek Grabowski
Going to Prague, Munich
Sat Sep 30 21:14:46 2000


Narodni Technicke Museum, Prague
Vojensky Historicky Ustav, Prague Kbely
tank museum Lesany
Deutsches Museum, Munich
Franek

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Uwe Wiedemann
and....
Mon Oct 2 07:34:14 2000


.....don´t forget to visit the "outpost" of the Deutsches Museum, Munich at Oberschleißheim ( 10 miles north of Munich). Nice collection of a/c at the former WK I airfield.
Have a nice trip and -like already mentioned- dress warm! We´re having rainy and cold days here at the moment.
Uwe

[Alexander W. Hohl]

Guys,

some times there is an exhibition related with aviation and in spring and autuum there
visit the Ju 52/3m of the Ju-Air in Schleißheim.

Regards,

Alex

[BOBO]

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Canon
Luftwaffe museums in Germany
Thu Jul 6 22:07:22 2000


Sorry, you have forgoten the museum in Dreden-Neustadt. I think this is more than interesting because the complete museum was new contructed, with many new material and original tanks(!).

Berlin-Gatow is not very interesting becuase many mistakes we have found by the show of a/c, many a/c stand up out doors and very very weatherworn. If the poeples there found no investor in the next years to restoring then will be closed this museum while no a/c will be see.

Sorry my English is bad, but I hope of understaning.
BOBO/ JG300.de

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Richard Benham
Messerschmitt Bf110F-2
Thu Oct 5 19:09:47 2000


The Berlin Technical Museum has rolled out their Bf110F-2, Wernr.5052, coded LN+NR, an excellent static restoration judging by the pictures in the November issue of
Aeroplane.

Does anyone know what is going to happen to the other airframe they acquired from Tim Wallis, Bf110E-2, Werknr.4502, coded M8+ZE. Or was most of it used to restore
Werknr.5052, in either case how much of it is there.

I am also looking for a source of blueprints/construction drawinds for the Bf110.

Regards

Richard Benham

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fortunato sicuro
03487362740@Mail.omnitel.it
BF110 DRAWING & BLUEPRINT
Fri Oct 6 21:16:40 2000


Hi let me know what you are looking for
I am goin to put on CDs 1600 blueprints about Luftwaffe
airplane and engine
My company is going to develop cad drawing ( from the original blueprints) about Warbitd .
We have a Bf 110 and Me 109 at moment
100 % of Me 109 was drow in ACAD plus 35 % of DB605 Engine
thank you for your time
sincerelly
Fortunato Sicuro
http://www.geocities.com/sicuro_engineering

http://www.geocitiews.com/warbird_2000_italy/

http://www.geocities.com/aero_software

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Mark Sheppard
Bf110 F-2
Mon Oct 9 21:27:25 2000


Hi Richard

i was lucky enough to be at the roll out.

A lot fot he Bf110 E-2 was used in the restoration of the F-2. Very little remains of it.

It was a shame both could have not been restored, the E-2 to static and the F-2 to flying but no one took it on. Possibly with a lot of time and money, the E-2 could be
restored but it would take a lot of money.

The Bf110 F-2 should be fully completed (painted) etc within a few months and then put on dispaly in Berlin.

Will send you some photo to your email account.

Mark

[Richard T Eger]

From Christian Böhnke, Luftwaffe Experten Mailing List, Oct. 30, 2000, in response to a question regarding Luftwaffe museums in/near Leipzig:

"Dear Sami

I would suggest you take the time and visit the Luftwaffemuseum in Berlin!

It is about an hours drive from Leipzig (depends on the traffic), but its
worth it!

You may have a look before by:
http://www.luftwaffenmuseum.de/

There you find as well, how to reach it.

But I have to warn you: One day is to short.

Regards

Christian"

The website noted is that of the Luftwaffe Museum at Gatow, near Berlin. The website has a photo page of the aircraft at Gatow, including the Me 163 and Spanish Me 109. Directions to the museum are also given.

Regards,
Richard

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erwin verhaeghe
flyable luftwaffe a/c?
Wed Oct 11 21:28:13 2000

Outside some Bf109's (Spanish ones and 1 German);are there anymore Luftwaffe a/c which still fly,or which are in a restoration stage to be flyable again.I'm thinking
especially on Fw190's and Me262's (the Australian black X?).

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Dan Taylor
FW 190 and Me 262 replicas
Sun Oct 15 19:12:57 2000


Check out www.flugwerk.de (http://www.flugwerk.de) for details on the new FW 190's being built in Germany and www.stormbirds.com (http://www.stormbirds.com) for information on the flight testing and production of Me 262
replicas in the USA.
Pretty exciting stuff. There is also a company in the USA who are building a Me163 Komet replica! This project has a website, use your iternet search and you should find
it, I can't remember it off-hand.
Cheers, Dan