German Fighter Pilots Association

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'clock High!:

Matthew Gibbs
German Fighter Pilots association
Wed Mar 17 19:53:53 1999


I am trying to find out how to contact the German Fighter Pilots association and wondered if there was anyone out there who can help? I missed what was a good lecture by Gunther Rall at the air museum Elvington UK early in march and would like to contact the association. Any help appreciated. Also can anyone recommend books on the subjects of Luftwaffe uniforms/medals ? Thanks in advance

[Richard T Eger]

From TOH!:

Anonymous
Re: German Fighter Pilots association
Thu Mar 18 00:57:50 1999


Address:

Gemeinschaft der Jagdflieger
Vereinigung der Flieger
Deutscher Streitkräfte e.V.

Referent Geschichte/Tradition
Suchzentrale - Historisches Archiv

Willi Göbel
Krahwinkeler Straße 34A
D-53797 Lohmar
Tel. 0049 (0) 22 4 - 30 02 20
Fax 0049 (0) 22 4 - 30 03 98

In my opinion really best Books on uniforms:

Brian L. Davis
"Uniforms and Insignia of the Luftwaffe"
vol 1 &2
Arms and Armour Editions
ISBN: 1-85409-106-9
and 1-85409-107-7

The most filigran work on german medals and orders:

Dr. Kurt-Gerhard Klietmann
Deutsche Auszeichnungen
(Die Ordenssammlung Berlin)
vol. 3

1971

Editor:
Institut für wissenschaftliche Ordenskunde
Leibnizstraße 48
Berlin
Germany

Or: take a look on Bob Wartburgs JG54 homepage in between the next 4 weeks

Günther

[Richard T Eger]

From TOH!:

Matthew Gibbs
Re: German Fighter Pilots association
Thu Mar 18 07:51:25 1999


Many thanks for reply for address I have been searching for and also for recommendation of books I am now going out to look for! Well done to this useful site I've now added to my favourites!!!!

[Richard T Eger]

The following information was generously provided in a series of communications to me by Sergio Luis dos Santos:

The organization of the Gemeinschaft der Jagdflieger (GdJ) is:

Präsident: Anton Weiler
Vizepräsidenten: Franz Elles, Hans-Joachim Jabs, Peter Vogler
Ehrenvorsitzende: Wolfgang Falck, Herbert Wehnelt
Jägerblatt - Redaktion und Anzeigen: Johannes Mohn
Jägerblatt - Vertrieb und GdJ-Geschäftsführung: Gert Overhoff
Mitiglieder-Betreuung: Horst Amberg
Referent "Geschichte/Tradition - Suchdienstzentrale-Historisches Archiv":
Willi Göbel
Referent "Sozialwesen": Gerd Gloystein
Referent "Organization": Dieter Reiners
Schatzmeister: Jörg Bötcher

The GdJ address for association and Jägerblatt subscription is:

Gemeinschaft der Jagdflieger
Mitglieder-Betreuung, Horst Amberg
Postfach 1203
79372 Mülheim/Baden
Deutschland

Phone/Fax: 0 7631 / 3072

Specific contact information is as follows:

Jägerblatt redaktion und Anzeigen:
Mr. Johannes Mohn
Postfach 51 08 11
50944 Köln
Tel: 0 22 33/2 10 58
Fax: 28 03 98

Jägerblatt Vertrieb und GdJ-Geschäftsführung:
Mr. Gert Overhoff
Dahlienweg 1
53757 Kankt Augustin
Tel: 0 22 41 / 20 36 29
Fax: 92 26 09

Mitglieder -Betreuung:
Mr. Horst Amberg
Postfach 1203
79372 Müllheim/Baden
Tel/Fax: 0 7631 / 3072

Referent "Geschichte/Tradition-Historisches Archiv":
Mr. Willi Göbel
Krahwinkeler Strasse 34 A
53797 Lohmar
Tel: 0 22 47/ 30 02 20
Fax: 30 03 98

Referent "Sozialwesen":
Mr. Gerd Gloystein
Ulmenweg 7
53604 Bad Honnef
Tel: 0 22 24/7 44 94

Referent "Organisation":
Mr. Dieter Reiners
Biberweg 7
53819 Neunkirchen-Seelscheid
Tel/Fax: 0 22 47/74 45 32

Schatzmeister:
Mr. Jörg Bötcher
Rothusener Weg 2
50374 Erftstadt
Tel/Fax: 0 22 35/69 00 30
E-mail: GdJSchatzmeister@aol.com

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'clock High!:

RodM
Feedback Req - See Attached Map
Wed Oct 25 06:03:59 2000


Attached is a draft map of R.A.F. Bomber Command losses and Nachtjägd Abslusse claims for the night of the 16th/17th March 1945, during the combined attacks on
Nürnberg and Würzburg.

Sources for data were:

Koch's KTB of NJG 6
Chorley's Bomber Command Losses Vol. 6
Various other publications and documents
Privately supplied crash site map (from Luftwaffe Source)
Privately supplied claims list (from Luftwaffe source)

Members of this board (they know who they are!)

Anyway feedback would be welcome...

RodM

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1289853&a=9561897&p=31485544

[Richard T Eger]

From TOH!:

Simon Kularatne
Feedback on map
Fri Oct 27 02:04:52 2000


Rod,

IMHO this is an excellent piece of research which must have taken some work to collect the data. It is rare that such connections are made between the BC campaign and
the Nightfighter defence. Two sides of the same coin.

I am trying to do the same for the Berlin raid of 15/16th February 1944 when my father was lwt over the Baltic piloting a Halifax. I am using secondary sources of course but
I have quite a bit of info already. The trick is to put the two sides together.

AHB did send me a map showing the positions of NF attacks as reported by surviving crews in combat reports. These attacks could show routes of NFs making multiple
attacks.

Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Simon

[Richard T Eger]

I was quite intrigued by both the sources Rod Mackenzie had used and the superb map that he was able to create as a result. Unfortunately, the map, which he did show on 12 O'clock High!, is not reproduced here. In glorious color, Rod showed every R.A.F. loss juxtapositioned with every Luftwaffe claim. It is truly a beautifully done bit of research.

I subsequently wrote to Rod for more details about his first 2 references, which I thought might be of value to the LWAG community. The following is Rod's most generous response:

"Dear Richard,

thanks for your e-mail.

The two references in full are:

"Das Kriegstagebuch des Nachtjagdgeswader 6"
by Werner Koch, Eigenverlag-Wittmund, 1996

"Bomber Command Losses Vol.6"

by W. R. Chorley, published in the UK

The work by Werner Koch is from the War Diary of Stab/NJG 6, which, I presume is at Freiburg.

The work by Bill Chorley is from a variety of sources (but unfortunately not the Missing Research & Enquiry Service reports; held by the Public Record Office but closed for a further 25 years) - namely, Sqdn Operational Record Books (held by P.R.O.); Aircraft Loss Cards (held by the RAF Air Historical Branch and, I think, the RAF Museum), and; Commonwealth War Graves Commission registers.

Two of my source documents were probably from the Gemeinshaft der Luftwaffe Jagdflieger, although I am trying to confirm this since I received them through a third party.

I am definitely not an expert on surviving LW documentation but have been fortunate in receiving help from the LW Discussion Board and other sources that enabled me to undertake the construction of the map.

For those trying to match LW claims against RAF Fighter Command losses, Norman Franks has published various volumes of "Fighter Command Losses", which, I think, is complete up to 1942-43 at this time.

A note should be made on the accuracy of the published volumes of "Bomber Command Losses" and "Fighter Command Losses" because of the information available to the writers. As stated before, until the M.R.E.S. files are accessible, the loss data cannot be properly verified.

Regards

Rod Mackenzie"

Thanks, Rod.

Regards,
Richard

[Sergio Luis dos Santos]

Please notice latest change in Gemeinschaft der Jagdflieger:

Präsident: Jörg Kuebart
Vizepräsidenten: Friedrich Busch, Heinz Nowak, Peter Vogler
Ehrenvorsitzende: Wolfgand Falck, Herbert Wehnelt, Anton Weiler

[Richard T Eger]

Sergio Luis dos Santos
Member
posted 21 November 2000 06:09

The Gemeinschaft der Jagdflieger has introduced itself in the web. The English page is still under construction but
the German one is operative. A on line formular is available for contacts. www.fliegergemeinschaft.de (http://www.fliegergemeinschaft.de)

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'clock High!:

Philip
Luftwaffe veterans magazine
Thu Jan 4 22:42:42 2001


Is there such magazine, and if so does this also involves ground en luftwaffe Flak units?????

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Dan O'Connell
Jagerblatt (n/t)
Thu Jan 4 23:16:45 2001

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Philip
Jagerblatt
Fri Jan 5 09:45:08 2001


Do you have an address for me to contact, thanks

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Mike
Jager Blatt
Fri Jan 5 11:38:38 2001


Contact Jorg Bottcher, Rothusener Weg 2, D-50374 Erftstadt, Germany. (e-mail: GdJSchatzmeister@aol.com) Membership is DM 70 for six issues a year. They will send
you a sample copy if you ask. Mike

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

philip
Re: Jager Blatt
Fri Jan 5 22:37:52 2001


Thanks Mike

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Manfred Malitz
Jägerblatt
Fri Jan 5 08:27:44 2001


Hi,

loook at www.fliegergemeinschaft.de (http://www.fliegergemeinschaft.de)

bye
Manfred

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Uwe Wiedemann
Re: Luftwaffe veterans magazine
Sat Jan 6 19:53:34 2001


Hi Philip,

the "Gemeinschaft der Jagdflieger" / Assn. of former fighter pilots , alllows all former Luftwaffe members to get involved and be a member, even Flak , Signals etc. They´re all welcome.
There is already a contact address given in one of these responses. Please feel free to ask for anything you want to know of some specific Flak units.
Best.... and Horrido, Uwe

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Philip
Luftwaffe FLAK
Sun Jan 7 11:26:45 2001


Will write to Jorg today, thanks

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'clock High!:

Greg Kopchuk
Gemeinshaft der Jagdflieger
Sun Jan 7 20:22:57 2001


Could someone email the contact name, address and email address, if there is one, for the Night Fighter representative of the Gemeinshaft der Jagdflieger .

My email is gkopchuk@yahoo.com

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Jim H.
GdJ Nightfighter Rep.
Sun Jan 7 21:08:52 2001


GdJ Nachtjagd-Geschwader:

Herbert A.W. Thomas
Velsstraße 46
44803 Bochum
Tel. 0234/35 25 39

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock high!:

Nick
Gunther Rall
Tue May 1 00:16:39 2001


Is it possible to write to the air legend?

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Sergio Luis dos Santos
Re: Gunther Rall
Tue May 1 21:59:57 2001


Try a contact through Mr. Jörg Böttcher, Schatzmeister from Gemeinschaft der Jagdflieger at GdJSchatzmeister@aol.com
Good luck!

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Olof Anjou
Access to German archives of killed Luftwaffe pilots
Sat Dec 15 17:20:52 2001


Hello,
I would like to know if and how one could get information from German archives abt. Luftwaffe losses. (In my case, 1945 and with incomplete name of pilot but probable day and unit)

Many thanks in advance!

Olof

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Peter Teunissen
peterteun@hotmail.com
sources
Thu Dec 20 20:56:41 2001


Try the following:

Gemeinschaft der Jagdflieger
Suchdienstzentrale-Historisches Archiv
Krahwinkeler Strasse 34A
53797 LOHMAR

Luftwaffenmuseum der Bundeswehr
Kladower Damm 182-188
D-14089 BERLIN

Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt
Zeppelinstrasse 127/128
D-14471 POTSDAM

Wehrmacht Auskunftstelle
Eichborndamm 179
D-13403 BERLIN

Bundesarchiv
Abteigarten 6
52076 AACHEN


That should do it.

Best regards,

Peter