Luftwaffe museums in Germany - 7

[Richard T Eger]

RLM-Farben makes authentic WW II paints to RLM specifications. The German language website for this company is:

http://www.rlm-farben.de/german/index.htm

RLM-Farben can offer authentic historic paints for aircraft, motor vehicles, ships, and models, as seen in the section entitled Anwendungen (Applications). Four examples with color photos are shown of the following aircraft that have had RLM-Farben colors applied:

Focke-Wulf Fw 190 of the Flugzeugmuseums Laatzen-Hannover

Messerschmitt Bf 110 of the Technikmuseums Berlin during rollout

DFS 230 fuselage of the Luftlandegeschwaders 1 (LLG 1), Wertheim

Jumo 210 for Messerschmitt Bf 109 B, Bf 109 B - restoration group

Udet U10 of the Technikmuseums Berlin - no photo as of yet

Under the section entitled Quellen (Sources) are available two Zip documents in MS-Excel format. The following is an Altavista translation from the RLM-Farben site that discusses these tables:

"Our colours and lacquers are not the result of amateurful searches, but in autoritative excerpt of scientific research: We analyse only the historical truth excluding primary sources and feel obligated. Special field can you considered the up-to-date knowledge status in this so far little our table

<U>Oberflächenschutzverfahren und Anstrichstoffe</U> (Surface protection procedure and coating materials)

(In the MS Excel format) infer, which we constantly further-maintain. In a second table named

<U>Schrifttum</U> (bibliography)

we reveal the consulted sources (regulations and other documents). For unpacking the ZIP files compressed in form you need supplied tables a program such as WinZip."

The above is followed with 3 examples from historical documents, with the following commentary:

"In our extensive file numerous original documents are like those shown color card here from the 1930er years (you click on one of the small preview pictures to see around an increased figure). We create our expert's assessments and our production without exception on original and indisputable sources like these!"

I downloaded the 2 Zip files and for those interested in the actual historic information on establishing what aircraft colors to use where, these will prove to be an undoubted boon. Hardly complete, but fascinating nonetheless.

The Links section lists a variety of links from one dealing specifically with color to restorations, history, museums, artwork, and modeling.

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Todd Anderson
Can someone point me to the Bf 110 restoration web sites?
Sun Mar 17 00:47:37 2002
166.82.22.98

Hello all,

Does anyone have any web adresses of the restorations of the last couple of Bf 110's that were pulled from Russia?

Thanks in advance

Todd Anderson

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From TOCH!:

Dave McDonald
dave.mcdonald@xtra.co.nz
110s
Sun Mar 17 10:07:33 2002
203.96.111.202

Todd

I am unaware of any restoration sites for these aircraft . The F-2 is soon to be displayed at MVT Berlin , the E is still in storage I think. I have scans of the aircraft which I took during the restoration at Friedrichshafen in November 2000 - if you are interested let me know and I will forward you a few.

Dave

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From TOCH!:

Todd Anderson
Bf 110 scans reply
Sun Mar 17 16:55:39 2002
166.82.22.145

Dave,

Thank you for the reply. If it is not too much trouble to forward the scans that would be just grand!!!

Big Todd

[Richard T Eger]

The Luftwaffe Gallery website main features are its numerous color photos and profiles of Luftwaffe aircraft. The site actually consists of 2 sites, an older site and an updated site. The older site address is:

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Barracks/9686/luftwaffegallery.html

Sections on the older site are:

Galleries - Color photos, except as noted. No captions. Quantities of photos are listed as - 2, - 3, etc.

<U>Gallery 1</U>

Me 262, V 056 - 1
Me 262, WN 170303 - 1
Bf 109 - 8
MG 151/20 - 1 b&w dwg.
MG 213 - 1 b&w dwg.
MK 103 - 1 b&w dwg.
MK 112 - 1 b&w dwg.
Me 262, WN 170045 - 1 color isometric dwg.
Me 262, V 555 - 1 color isometric dwg.
Me 262, WN 170078 - 1 color profile
Me 262, V 083 - 1 color profile

<U>Gallery 2</U>

Me 262, V 056 - 3
Me 262, V 167 - 2
Bf 109G-2/Trop, WN 10639, black 6, RAFM Hendon - 4
possible Bf 109G-10, WN 151591, Messerschmitt Foundation - 3
Bf 109 - 3

<U>Gallery 3</U>

Bf 109G-2/Trop, WN 10639, Black 6, RAFM Hendon - 4 or 5
possible Bf 109G-10, WN 151591, Messerschmitt Foundation - 3
Bf 109 - 6 or 7

<U>Gallery 4</U>

Bf 109 engine - 1
Bf 110G-4/R-6, WN 730301, D5+RL, RAFM Hendon - 4
DB 605 engine, RAFM Hendon -1
Fw 190F-8/U1 (S-8), WN 584219, Black 38, RAFM Hendon - 3
Fw 190A-8/R6, WN 733682, IWM, London - 1
He 111H-20, WN 701152, NT+5L, RAF Hendon - 1
Ju 87G-2, WN 494083, "RI+JK", RAF Hendon - 1
Fi 103F-1, WN 477663, IWM, London - 1
Bf 110 rudder - 1

<U>Gallery 5</U>

Bf 110 - 5
Bf 109 - 2
Fw 190 - 1
Ta 152H-0, WN 150003, FE-112, postwar photo, now at NASM Garber - 1
Me 163B-1a, WN 191904, Luftwaffe Museum, Gatow - 1
Me 163B-1a, WN 191907, AWM - 1
Me 163B-1a, WN 191916, Yellow 26, National Aviation Museum, Canada - 1
Me 163B-1a - 1

Color Plates - Color profiles, except as noted

<U>Plates 1</U>

Bf 109 - 18

<U>Plates 2</U>

Bf 109 - 18

<U>Plates 3</U>

Fw 190 - 18

<U>Plates 4</U>

Fw 190 - 18

<U>Plates 5</U>

Fw 190 - 18

<U>Plates 6</U>

Fw 190 - 18

<U>Plates 7</U>

Ju 87 - 22

<U>Plates 8</U>

Bf 109 - 18

<U>Plates 9</U>

Bf 109 - 11
Bf 110 - 10

<U>Plates 10</U>

Bf 110 - 8
BF 109 - 1
Fw 190 - 1
Me 262 - 1
He 219 - 1
Ju 88 - 5

<U>Plates 11</U>

Me 262 - 15

<U>Plates 12</U>

Me 262 - 11
Ar 234 - 1
Me 163 - 3
He 162 - 2

<U>Plates 13</U>

Bf 110 - 4
Ar 234 - 1
Fw 190 - 1
Do 215 - 4
Ju 88 - 3
He 219 - 5

<U>Plates 14</U>

Bf 110 - 21

<U>Plates 15</U>

Bf 110 - 19 + 2 isometric drawings

<U>Plates 16</U>

Ju 87 - 16

<U>Plates 17</U>

Ju 87 - 17

Luftwaffe Aces

Table listing aces with 100 or more victories, gving name, rank, unit, confirmed victories, number of 4-engined bombers destroyed, and highest award. Photo and a brief biography are given for each ace.

Luftwaffe Rank Insignia - Aircraft markings for different staff positions within a Gruppe.

Luftwaffe Codes - Text and tables explaining and identifying the 4-digit aircraft code.

Links - Links to 7 Luftwaffe related sites.


The site has an updated second site, which can be accessed by clicking on the sentence:

"For more photos check the new site:http://luftgallery.wronger.com/"

This is on the home page of the older site. The sections are:

Galleries - Here, the photos are captioned - a significant improvement. Many of the photos are repeats from the older site. Included here are both color and b&w photos.

</U>Gallery 1</U>

Bf 109 - 5 color, 1 color profile
Fw 190 - 1 color, 1 b&w
Downed Spitfire inspected by Hans-Joachim Jabs - 1 b&w
Heinmz Schnaufer & crew - 1 b&w

<U>Gallery 2</U>

Bf 109 - 2 color, 1 color profile
Me 163 - 1 color
Ju 88 - 1 color
Bf 110 - 3 color
Me 262, WN 500491, NASM - 1 color
Ju 87, WN 2883 - 1 color (recent photo)
Fw 190 - 3 color, 1

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Orla Kragh Jensen
Rechlin (test) airfield!
Wed Jun 12 21:15:22 2002
195.41.66.1

Hi.
Can anyone give me directions to information on The Rechlin airfield or test facility?
I am of the empression that the RLM is involved in this facility too.
My interese is the time from August 1943 to April 1944.
Also, does anyone have informatioons on the test-pilots assigned to the place?

Orla.

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From TOCH!:

Frithjof Ruud
Rechlin
Fri Jun 14 06:48:51 2002
212.125.211.65

Hello,

Check out this site :
http://www.luftfahrttechnisches-museum-rechlin.de/.
It gives you the most regarding Rechlin.

Best regards Frithjof

(I did, indeed, check out this site. This is the site for the Luftfahrttechnischen Museum Rechlin. On display are some of the old buildings in mainly a dilapidated state of repair, plus some indoor artifact exhibits. The site has a discussion forum.

However, if one is looking for an extensive history of E-Stelle Rechlin, only a very cursory amount of material is presented on the site. One would be better directed to the book by Heinrich Beauvais et. al.: "Flugerprobungstellen bis 1945".

Regards,
Richard)

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

Ed IJsbrandij
Ed@ijbrandij.myweb.nl
FW190Crash Obersdorf
Tue Jun 18 13:11:21 2002
62.41.2.68

Between 1993-1995 a crashed FW190 was recovered from a small lake or swamp near the village Obersdorf. (Muncheberg Germany)
I met a guy who found the wreckage of the plane .
There is a chance that the remains of that Fw190 were brought to the Museum Verkehr & Technik in Berlin. I tried to contact them but no reaction.
The guy I met doesn't know what happened, he having the pilot seat and the front window of that plane, definite Fw190.
It is also possible that the wreckage was brought to Friends of the Museum.
Does anybody know something about this crash ???

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

mark sheppard
Battle of Britian markings - yellow tails.
Thu Jun 20 22:52:04 2002
194.222.231.236

Hi all

Just trying to find out a bit more of some interesting information.

It relates to Bf109 E-3 E.Nr1407 which is currently nearing completion for the Berlin Tehnische Museum. This was recovered from a lake in the 1990's and has been restored in Hungary.

Went through 3 or 4 ID's. Basically it is the first or second I am interested in.

During the restoration is it was noted that the outer tips of the tailplane had been painted yellow. This was not for Northern Russia, but from the previous service in late 1940.

It seems the aircraft had belonged II/JG77 'Black 2'in early 1941 and I/JG77 'Red 5' summer 1941, it it thought neither carried yellow taiplane tips.

It also carried a '8' and a <+ marking. Looking through the publications, it seems JG3 and JG26 carried this marking. Is there any other. Would be nice to find out the unit for 1407 during the Battle but I think it is a bit difficult. Confirmation of units that carried this marking would help though.

look forward to some feedback.

regards

MS

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From TOCH!:

Larry Hickey
Yellow Tail Tips on 109s
Fri Jun 21 21:53:39 2002
12.253.95.180

Mark,

Yellow tail tips were common during the Battle of Britain on probably all units (theater marking), starting around the middle of August, 1940, and continuing, though less common, into early Sept., 1940. I've done a lot of research on the subject. The fact that it was so commonly used is going to make it difficult to use that as a method to ID the history of the plane during the BoB.

Larry Hickey

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

Tom Fischer
For Ken Merrick - Aachen Bf 109
Tue Jul 9 06:10:15 2002
217.162.129.224

Ken

Somebody might have given you this information by now, but the early 1970s Bf 109 rebuild/conversion (from a HA 1112 M-1L) which was once housed at the Institut für Leichtbau of the Technische Hochschule Aachen is apparently now property of the Auto + Technik Museum Sinsheim, and it was also displayed at the Technik Museum in Speyer in the early 1990s. (There were even two photos of this Bf 109 while at Speyer in the 4/1991 issue of Jet & Prop).

This rebuilt/converted Bf 109 is labelled a "G-6" but it appears to be a hybrid of sorts. A few skin panels were removed on the port side to allow a view inside, and it features a tall tail, Erla-Haube and reportedly a DB 605 D engine, etc.

I hope this helps. Regards,

Tom

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From TOCH!:

K. Merrick
Aachen
Sat Jul 13 03:18:10 2002
203.87.115.166

Hi Tom,

Thanks very much for your information. Several people have also sent information and I now have a complete picture - a nice change in this game of hunt and seek!

Apologies for the delayed response - been having a bit of R&R in warmer climes.

Ken

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

Peter Ocker
dudu29ff@aol.com
colored pics of german gliders
Sat Aug 3 00:16:28 2002
195.93.66.12

Dear friends,
i am searching for colored pics of german gliders till 1945 like Grunau Baby, Weihe and Habicht. Can anybody help me ?
Also, I am searching a good quality copy of pilot's manual for the Weihe glider (printed before 1945), as I'm the owner of the famous Weihe D-0700, which I am regularly flying and from time to time is on exhibition of the Flugwerft Schleissheim of the Deutsches Museum.
Thanks for your replys.

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Dave Brown
trudav@tusco.net
Augsburg Aircraft Museum - Messerschmitt Bf109G-6
Fri Aug 9 17:51:07 2002
64.5.162.227

I plan to visit the Augsburg museum on Tuesday, September 03, 2002 in order to see the Messerschmitt Bf109G-6. In order to avoid disappointment, does anyone know for sure that this aircraft is on-site? I believe this aircraft is airworthy and as such, does the airshow circuit.

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From TOCH!:

Juergen
Bf 109 G-6
Fri Aug 9 19:14:15 2002
217.228.35.218

Hello Dave,

I don´t know about an airworthy Gustav at Augsburg, but rather at Manching near Ingolstadt. The aircraft is on display regularly (e. g. at the Internationale Luftfahrtaus-stellung Berlin) but suffered a mechanical damage this spring, so I think there is no possibility this year to see it taking to the air.
There is another Gustav (G-2), again on static display only, at the Technikmuseum Speyer. I recommend you go spotting this example.

Regards, Juergen

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From TOCH!:

Rudi
Bf 109 G-6
Sat Aug 10 01:58:26 2002
62.155.254.209

EADS had three Bf 109,two in flying conditions and one for display,this Gustav was a long time in
Augsburg and is now for a year or two in Paris,Bf 109 G-6 and G-10 stand in Manching with
technical problems.

[Richard T Eger]

The Dora 9: Focke-Wulf 190 D - "Langnase" site, by Lutz Brocke, is mainly devoted to artwork. However, there is one beautiful color photo of Fw 190 D's and a walk around of the Fw 190 A-8 at the Hannover-Laatzen museum. The site address is:

http://www.dora9.de

The 2 Luftwaffe interest areas noted above can be reached through:

Galleries

FW-190 D - Color photo of Fw 190 D's.

Personal Aviation - Click on the internal link aviation museums.

Hannover-Laatzen - 15 color photos of the museum's Fw 190 A-8 provided by FalcoN.

Regards,
Richard

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

Marko Jeras
Hans Dittes contact
Sun Oct 20 15:12:26 2002
195.29.57.176

I have been calling Hans Dittes on telephone for a few weeks now, but nobody answers. Maybe I have old number?

I would appreciate if somebody can help me to establish contact with Hans Dittes. I need him concerning restauration of Buecker Bu 131 Jungmann.

Dear Herr Dittes, if you read this, please contact me on my e-address above.

Hope to hear from somebody. Thank you and best regards,

Marko Jeras
Zagreb, Croatia

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From TOCH!:

Juergen
Mr. Dittes
Fri Oct 25 18:52:01 2002
80.133.85.165

Hello,

I think Mr. Dittes cooperates with the Technik Museums at Speyer and Sinsheim. It would be best to contact him via the address of the museum.

Regards, Juergen