Museums with Luftwaffe aircraft

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'clock High!:

Marcus Wendel
Museums & Memorials
Sat Jul 15 15:36:15 2000


I'm working on a listing of all museums with German WW2 equipment.
The info I have so far is published here: http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/museums.htm

Any additional info on related museums and/or memorials would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

/Marcus

[Richard T Eger]

Complementing Marcus Wendel's Museums & Memorials page on his Third Reich Factbook website is Mikael Olrog's Preserved Axis Aircraft Throughout the World website.

Where the museums and memorials page looks at these facilities country by country, noting the aircraft in each museum or memorial, Mikael's website organizes by type of aircraft, engine, or missile, noting at which museums or other facility these are located at.

The address for Mikael's website is: http://www.axisaircraft.com

Regards,
Richard

[This message has been edited by Richard T Eger (edited 05 July 2002).]

[Richard T Eger]

Peter Evans' Luftwaffe Experten Mailing List website has a Worldwide Captive Luftwaffe webpage listing, by aircraft type, Luftwaffe aircraft in museums or other facilities around the world. In this regard, the listing is very similar to that provided in Mikael Olrog's Preserved Axis Aircraft Throughout the World website. The URL for the Worldwide Captive Luftwaffe webpage is:

http://www.experten.fsnet.co.uk/restore.html

Regards,
Richard

[This message has been edited by Richard T Eger (edited 27 November 2000).]

[Richard T Eger]

The Hugo Junkers Homepage by Horst Zoeller presents information and photos of Remaining Junkers Aircraft Worldwide, including engines. There are numerous photos of Junkers aircraft and engines both in museums and at crash sites, some of them under water. The website URL is:

http://www.junkers.de.vu

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

The website A Detailed Look At The Messerschmitt Bf109, by Matt C. Bole, presents exhaustive coverage of the Bf 109. The URL is:


http://members.aol.com/bf109gust/


Of particular interest to the preserved aircraft aficionado is an extensive listing of surviving Bf 109's, HA-1112's, and CS-199's.

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

The website Dornier Do-24, by Andre de Zwart, mentions the front fuselage of a Do-24 being used as a boat in Echuca, Australia. The website address is:

http://www.dornier24.com/

The mention will be found in the section entitled "musea". Three black & white photos are presented.

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

Rod Larson has created the WarBirds Photo website with some excellent coverage of Japanese aircraft from WW II, as well as specialized coverage of 5 Luftwaffe aircraft. His website address is:

http://www.warbirdpix.com/index.html

My interest in Japanese WW II aircraft centers on the advanced jet and rocket types, in part because at least 2 of these can trace their ancestry to German designs.

The sections of the site are:

1,249 WWII Japanese Aircraft Photos

Aircraft of specific interest re. the above:

J8M1 Shusui Sword Stroke (Komet) - 17 B&W photos, 3 of which show the aircraft in flight
Kikka Orange Blossom - 16 B&W photos, 1 showing the aircraft at take-off or landing.
MXY7 Ohka Cherry Blossom (Baka) - 15 B&W photos, 1 of a possible 2-man version

Selected WWII German Aircraft Photos: DO-335, FW-190, FW-200, Me-262,& Me-323

Do 335 - 65 B&W photos, 4 in flight; 6 color photos of the NASM Garber facility aircraft VG+PH (102), 1 WW II era color photo
Fw 190 - 18 B&W photos
Fw 200 - 5 B&W photos
Me 262 - 5 B&W photos
Me 323 - 3 B&W, 1 color photo

San Diego AeroSpace Museum

Me 109 - 2 color photos
Fi 156 - 2 color photos

Planes of Fame Museum, Chino, CA

Buchon Me 109 - 2 color photos
He 162 - 2 color photos
Me 163 - 3 color photos
Me 262 - 2 color photos
Natter - 1 color photo
V-1 - 2 color photos
Japanese J8M1 Shusui - 1 color photo

Museum of Flying, Santa Monica, CA

Me 109 - 8 color photos
Me 163 rocket motor - 1 color photo

Auckland Domain Museum & Museum of Transportation, Auckland, New Zealand

V-1 - 1 color photo

Yasakuni Shrine in Ichigaya, a suburb of Tokyo

MXY7 Ohka Cherry Blossom Bomb - 17 color photos

Fleming Fly2K Air Show, St. Paul, MN

Ju 52 of Confederate Air force - 22 color photos

Amsterdam Schipol Airport Museum - Aviadome, Amsterdam, Netherlands or, alternatively, Luchtvaartmuseum Aviadome - Schipol, Netherlands

V-1 - 10 color photos

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

David Prewett
109G-6 Werk Nr 28077
Sun Jan 28 08:51:16 2001

I recently located the above nr stamped on my G6 (recovered from Lake Swiblo)after finding this nr I have found the nr 77 on both left and right wing to fuselage cover
panels.
I an now convinced this is the missing Werk Nr. Any details on this nr would be greatly appreciated.

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

WILLY
show some photos
Sun Jan 28 13:20:41 2001

Hi
CAN YOU SHOW US SOME PHOTOS ABOUT YOUR G6?
THANK YOU!!

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Mikael Olrog
A photo of the Lake Swiblo G-6
Sun Jan 28 18:16:19 2001


You can see a photo of David's 109 which he kindly added to my site. Check out www.algonet.se/~molrog (http://www.algonet.se/~molrog)

/Mikael

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

John Beaman
WNr 28077
Sun Jan 28 18:13:05 2001


According to Jochen Prien and the loss data I have, there were no Bf 109s in the 28000 range. The records show nothing beyond 27185. What makes you think this is a
Werke Nummer and not a part number?

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

mark sheppard
Your Bf109
Thu Feb 1 12:01:51 2001


David

Check the current page of 12 o'clock High on W.Nr411077. A bit more on your aircraft and is does all seem to tie in. Looks like Charles has hit the button

Mark

Ps Info on your engine number would now be a help as well as the underwing factory codes. RY+??

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

David Prewett
Werk Nr 28077
Sun Jan 28 21:20:01 2001


Mark Shepard is going to contact Jochen Prien for his comments, the 77 stamped on the cover panels ( to identify which aircraft they came off ? ) indicates to me it is
probably the werk nr. It does not appear to be a part no.

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Jim P.
Re: Werk Nr 28077
Mon Jan 29 01:10:18 2001


Doesn't fit any WNr. block that I've seen.

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Charles Bavaroise
WNr. 28.077 = 410.077
Mon Jan 29 07:08:13 2001


Erla-Werke at Leipzig, one of the main manufacturers of
Bf 109s, had a special way to allocate Werknummern: First three digits for the "Kostenstelle" (don't ask me what this is in English), followed by two digits for the
"Los-Nummer"
(production block) and three digits for the aircraft itself.

So 311 26 001 was the first a/c of Los-Nummer 26. As the "Kostenstelle" at Erla allways was the same, the first three digits never were applied to the airframe and this a/c
always was called "Werknummer 26.001".

When RLM ordered the future usage of six-digit-Werknummern,
Erla did not change this practice up to the end of the war (there is a famous series of semi-finished Bf 109s - even in color- at Erla with Werknummern in the 32.xxx range
published). This Erla-Werknummer was punched into many
parts of the airframe and also was painted on the fuselage during assembly. But Erla had to follow the orders of the RLM and so the "Erla-Werknummern" were changed to
"RLM-Werknummern" prior to delivery to the Luftwaffe. In a document dated 23. August 1943 Erla explained, in what way
"Erla-Werknummern" were connected to "RLM-Werknummern"
and issued a "Schlüsselverzeichnis".

According to the Schlüsselverzeichnis RLM-Werknummern
410.001 to 410.100 were allocated to airframes with Erla-Werknummern 28.001 to 28.100 from production-block 28. So
your Bf 109 G-6 with Werknummer 28.077 is RLM-Werknummer 410.077.

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Norbert Neuser
Meaning of Kostenstelle
Mon Jan 29 11:22:55 2001


Hello Charles

Just a short translation as a remark:

Kostenstelle is translated in English as "Cost Center".

Kind regards

Norbert

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Andreas Brekken
Kostenstelle could be "Account number"
Mon Jan 29 14:23:56 2001


Hi, all.

With regards to Charles Bavaroise' very interesting information regarding the Erla way, I would translate the "Kostenstelle" word into "account number".

As the Erla Werke got a new contract, they would probably open up a new account(not literally in a bank, but to control costs etc in their own system), where the cost of
materials and man hours used on this "project" or "order" would be accounted for.

Just my opinion.

Regards,

Andreas Brekken

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Mark Sheppard
factory numbers/serials
Thu Feb 1 17:27:56 2001


This is no different from Hawkers during WWII. All of their Hurricanes were constructed with a 41H/xxxxx. 41H/ was the Hurricane and the five digit number the Hawker
construction number which was only for Hawkers own use. The aircraft were then issued with the serial by the MOD/RAF etc.

I believe the practice still continues today with British Aerospace (BAe) with the Hawk etc.

Seem common sense

Mark