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Richard T Eger
09-16-2002, 03:19 PM
From 12 O'Clock High!:

DIRK SCHULZ
AIRFIELD SANDHOFEN GERMANY
Sun Aug 18 15:12:43 2002
144.170.81.9

HI, I'M AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER AND LOOKING FOR FILES, PIX ETC OF THE FORMER LUFTWAFFE AIRFIELD IN SANDHOFEN (MANNHEIM), GERMANY. SINCE THE US ARMY HAS IT IT IS CALLED COLEMAN ARMY AIRFIELD. I'M RESEARCHING SINCE I WILL BE STATIONED THERE AND WANT TO MAKE A BROCHURE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE FIELD.

THANKX

DIRK

Richard T Eger
09-16-2002, 03:21 PM
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Larry deZeng
Hldeziv@aol.com
Mannheim-Sandhofen
Sun Aug 18 16:54:55 2002
152.163.201.69

Dirk -

Here are some basics on Mannheim-Sandhofen from the WW II period.

The airfield was developed during the 1930's and:
1939-40: was now the property of the Luftwaffe under the official title Leithorst (controlling air base) Mannheim-Sandhofen and came under Koflug (Kdo. Flughafenbereich, or in English "Airfield Regional Command") Mannheim-Sandhofen/Luftgau Kdo. (Air District HQ) XII (Weisbaden).
1940 - 14 Apr 43: name changed to Fl.H.Kdtr. (Fliegerhorstkommandantur, or in English "Air Base Command") Mannheim-Sandhofen; it was under the same Koflug to 1941-42, and then under Koflug 6/VII (Strassburg-Böblingen).
14 Apr 43 - Apr 44: renamed Fl.Pl.Kdo. (Flugplatzkommando, or in English "Airfield Command") A 25/VII Mannheim-Sandhofen.
Apr 44 - 14 Jun 44: briefly renamed Fl.H.Kdtr. A(o) 8/XII Mannheim-Sandhofen.
14 Jun 44 - 5 Apr 45: renamed again as Fl.H.Kdtr. A(o) 24/VII Mannheim-Sandhofen (Tarn Nr. or Camouflage No. 753) with subordinate Fl.Pl.Kdos. at Biblis, Darmstadt-Griesheim and Mannheim-Stadt; during this final stage of the war in came under Koflug 12/VII (Neustadt/Weinstrasse) and 13/VII (Gelnhausen). On 5 April 1945 the airfield was evacuated as U.S. Forces approached Mannheim.
There were several wartime Luftwaffe commanders, including:
Oberst Richard Schuster (Oct 42 - ) and possibly
Oberst Frederich Münster ( - Sep 43).

The following title has a sketch map or plan of Mannheim-Sandhofen airfield: Ries, Karl and Wolfgang Dierich. Fliegerhorste und Einsatzhäfen der Luftwaffe: Planskizzen 1935-1945. Stuttgart: Motorbuch Verlag, 1993. You should be able to get it through interlibrary loan.

Primary wartime documentation or "files" from the airfield are not believed to have survived the war, at least none are shown under Signatur RL 21 at the Bundesarchiv-Militärarchiv in Freiburg im Breisgau which is where they would be. Had advancing U.S. forces captured any such documents in April 1945, they would have been turned over to BA-MA in Freiburg during the 1960's.

I'm taking up a lot of space with this because I have a personal interest in Mannheim-Sandhofen. I was stationed in Mannheim-Feudenheim in 1958-59 and we used to go over to Coleman Barracks at the airfield in Sandhofen to fire Lugers and Walther P-38s on the pistol range. You see, the ammo was free. While I was there in Mannheim some engineers from the 3d Infantry Division had discovered some old WW II bunkers on or adjacent to the airfield which were found to be packed to the ceiling with cases and cases of 8 mm parabellum ammunition. Great fun was had by all.

Lastly, please do not post your messages on this site in caps or you draw some fire from some of the members. It's considered very bad form.

HTH

Larry

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Richard T Eger
09-16-2002, 03:22 PM
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DIRK SCHULZ
THANKS
Sun Aug 18 18:28:30 2002
144.170.81.9

thanks larry,

very nice to hear from you. I'm an air traffic controller in heidelberg with the army. we will close heidelberg airfield in october and re-open coleman airfield. since i knew the luftwaffe had used that place i'm keen on seeing pix and check what is still left over. it sounds like fun when you had that chance of using all that ammo, nowadays it is all different. i myself was in the luftwaffe(nato) for 9 years and work now as a civilian for the army. if you are sometime around mannheim stop by and we can check out coleman together.

greetings

dirk

Richard T Eger
09-16-2002, 03:23 PM
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Larry
Mannheim
Mon Aug 19 14:50:38 2002
205.188.200.22

Thanks, Dirk!

Yes, I can well imagine that it has changed dramatically in 44 years! I would think most of the old Army Kaserne have gone, too: Turley Barracks in downtown Mannheim, Spinelli Barracks in Feudenheim and the large modern Kaserne in Käfertal on the left-hand side of the Mannheim - Viernheim road (I can't remember the name of it). It's a beautiful area in the spring and summer. We took the Straßenbahn many, many times from Feudenheim to Heidelberg and the tracks follow a path that takes you through lush vineyards and along meandering streams. It was all very bucolic and pastoral. Unfortunately, Stadt Mannheim-Ludwigshafen was not so attractive. In 1958 there was still a great deal of bomb damage with large areas still lying in rubble. But I'm sure that's all be rebuilt by now. I would love to revisit the area before too long, so I'll look you up if I do.

Regards,

Larry

Richard T Eger
09-16-2002, 03:24 PM
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DIRK SCHULZ
SANDHOFEN
Tue Aug 20 06:43:28 2002
144.170.81.9

thanks for the response larry,

indeed many things have changed here, but that kaserns are still here and fully operational. the us village on the left is called benjamin franklin village and was just renovated. mannheim -ludwigshafen has grown to a big city with great shopping streets and you can't see anything from the war anymore. where are you living now? looking forward to show you around.

dirk

Richard T Eger
09-16-2002, 03:25 PM
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Larry
Thanks for the info, Dirk!
Tue Aug 20 13:16:32 2002
205.188.195.182

Benjamin Franklin Village.....Hmmm. It sounds like they turned the Kaserne that was there into a housing area. I still haven't thought of the name, but the one that keeps sticking in my mind is Kelly Barracks. It was quite large and was home to the 510th Tank Battalion and a number of other units. The dispensary, movie theater, bowling alley, PX, commissary, etc., that served all U.S. forces in the Mannheim area were located there.

That's great news that Mannheim-Ludwigshafen is prosperous again. I really liked the people there. In August 1990 I spent nearly three weeks at the Bundesarchiv-Militärarchiv in Freiburg, but unfortunately there was no time left over for a visit to the Mannheim-Heidelberg area. I didn't even have time to stop by Baden-Söllingen bei Baden Baden where I was stationed from 1964 to 1966. By the way, I live in Florida.
Best,
Larry

Richard T Eger
09-16-2002, 03:27 PM
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Greg
annun@prodigy.net
Sandhoffen spring '45
Mon Aug 19 15:02:08 2002
65.58.114.200

The 358th Fighter Group (P-47 Thunderbolts) were stationed at Sandhoffen from 2 April 1945 through June 1945. The following site has a collection of photos taken by Harold Jones, a crew chief with the unit, some are from definately Sandhoffen, although they are mixed by location.

http://www.jerrydjones.com/358th_FG_Data.html

I have some other information on the units time there, if you are interested.

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Richard T Eger
09-16-2002, 03:29 PM
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Larry
Sandhoffen?
Mon Aug 19 15:23:58 2002
205.188.200.22

Please note the difference in spelling. Are you sure Mannheim-Sandhofen and Sandhoffen are one and the same? The Allied code number for Mannheim-Sandhofen was Y 79.

Larry

Richard T Eger
09-16-2002, 03:30 PM
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Greg
typo, sorry
Mon Aug 19 16:41:17 2002
64.158.88.104

Sorry for the typo, it is indeed Sandhofen. I have a copy of a videotape transfer of some home movies taken by a veteran of the unit. I believe (I haven't watched it in a while and the quality is poor) it shows some of the captured German aircraft and the devestation of the airfield prior to it's occupation. I don't have my materials with me, but I'll take a look at the unit history this evening. There are quite a few annecdotes and photos from the units stay. My interest in the group is from an earlier period, but I do have quite a bit of information you might be interested in.

Richard T Eger
09-16-2002, 08:51 PM
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Hank
Lw Air Base Mannheim-Sandhofen
Tue Aug 20 08:27:14 2002
195.232.57.53

The first unit stationed at M-S was Jagdgeschwader 53 "Pik As" (Ace of Spades). Activated 15Mar37 as II./JG334, it was redesignated II./JG133 on 1Nov38, until being renumbered as II./JG53 on 1May39. In the early phases of WWII the unit flew air cover operations along the West Wall until the start of the French Campaign in May40, when it deployed forward and remained abroad until the fortunes of war brought it back to Germany to serve in the Reichsverteidigung. During its time at M-S the Second Group flew the Ar 68E, He 51B and various models of the Bf 109, to include the B, D-1 and the E-series. One of the Luftwaffe's famous aces, Guenther Freiherr von Maltzahn, served here, first as Staffelkptn of 6./JG334 and later commander of the Second Group (he eventually became the Geschwaderkommodore). Werner Moelders was also known to have flown in and out of M-S while assigned to the other JG53 base in Wiesbaden-Erbenheim. Up until the more restrictive measures of Force Protection were implemented there was a fairly active US-GE Military History Club on Coleman Barracks, who had compiled an unofficial (and somewhat incomplete) history of the base. You may be able to find a copy of it once you transfer, or perhaps locate more info in the local Heimatmuseum or town archives.

Richard T Eger
02-05-2003, 10:21 PM
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DIRK SCHULZ
DIRKIO@WEB.DE
MANNHEIM-SANDHOFEN/COLEMAN ARMY AIRFIELD
Wed Dec 11 11:28:25 2002
147.40.250.250

HI,
HALF A YEAR AGO I STARTED TO RESEARCH THE HISTORY OF SANDHOFEN FLIEGERHORST SINCE I'M TRYING TO WRITE A BOOK ABOUT ITS HISTORY. I'M STATIONED THERE AS AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLER. IN THIS BOARD A Greg Hackenberg WROTE ME THAT HE HAD SOME MATERIAL ABOUT THE FIELD. AS I WROTE HIM BACK HIS E-MAIL IS WRONG! DOES ANYONE KNOW HIS NEW E-MAIL?? ALSO I WOULD BE VERY GLAD ABOUT ANY INFO ABOUT THE AIRFIELD, ESPECIALLY ABOUT PIX AND LAYOUT OF THE OLD FLIEGERHORST. I ALSO CAN OFFER REFERENCE PIX FROM TODAY AND INFO ABOUT THE TODAY STATUS.
THANKS FOR YOU HELP

Richard T Eger
02-05-2003, 10:21 PM
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Rabe Anton
Aerial Photos of Mannheim-Sandhofen
Thu Dec 12 22:03:47 2002
198.26.120.13

For aerial photos of Fl.Pl. Mannheim-Sandhofen, I suggest that you contact the Air Photo Library of the University of Keele, which maintains a collection of 5 million aerial photos from the W.W. II era on loan from the Public Records
Office: M. C. Beech, Air Photo Archive, Keele University, Staffordshire ST5 5BG, United Kingdom. This facility probably also maintains a worldwide web site.

RA

Richard T Eger
02-05-2003, 10:22 PM
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Dirk Schulz
Thanks
Fri Dec 13 06:22:26 2002
147.40.250.250

Thanks I will try!!

Richard T Eger
02-05-2003, 10:23 PM
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From TOCH!:

Jean-Claude Lorusso
Link to Keele
Fri Dec 13 17:27:49 2002
63.215.156.186

Here's the link to the Photo Archive; though it's basically a contact point only:

http://www.keele.ac.uk/depts/is/airphoto/

All the best,

Jean-Claude

Richard T Eger
02-05-2003, 10:24 PM
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From TOCH!:

Marylyn Beech
m.c.beech@keele.ac.uk
Air Photos
Fri Dec 13 09:25:17 2002
160.5.49.5

Dear Dirk Schulz

Contact me at the Air photo Archive at Keele University England, we hold 5.5 million recon photos.

Richard T Eger
02-27-2003, 01:33 PM
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Dirk Schulz
dirkio@web.de
Allied Airfield codes for German Fliegerhorsts
Tue Jan 7 18:23:42 2003
147.40.250.250

Hi, I'm researching the history of Sandhofen Airfield. I wounder how did the allies come up with codes for the airfields, for example Y79???
And does anyone know where to get the old bombing orders for the bombing of gernan airfields??

Thank you very much

Dirk Schulz

Richard T Eger
02-27-2003, 01:34 PM
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Jaap Woortman
Mannheim/Sandhofen was Y-79.
Tue Jan 7 20:33:39 2003
212.83.68.244

Richard T Eger
02-27-2003, 01:34 PM
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dirk schulz
why y79?
Wed Jan 8 14:06:30 2003
147.40.250.250

hi, thanks for the answer. but how did they come up with those letters? what did they mean?
thanks

dirk

Richard T Eger
02-27-2003, 01:35 PM
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Ross McNeill
Re: why y79?
Wed Jan 8 16:32:52 2003
80.40.93.56

Hi Dirk,

As the British advanced out of Normandy they used the sequence B.XXX where XXX was a sequential number.

The Americans from Normandy used A.XXX

The British/American forces from South of France/Italy used Y.XXX

Regards
Ross

Richard T Eger
02-27-2003, 01:36 PM
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DIRK SCHULZ
THANKS..
Wed Jan 8 17:07:53 2003
147.40.250.250

Thanks Ross, do you know by chance where i could get old bombing orders?

again thanks

Richard T Eger
07-31-2003, 01:10 PM
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Dirk Schulz
looking for point of contact on following units:
Mon Jul 14 12:13:56 2003
147.40.250.250

Hi in my research on Fliegerhorst Sandhofen, I'm looking for piont of contact on following units( looking for carsh pictures as they were here):
Jadgfliegerschule 4
Flugzeugueberfuehrungsgruppe 1
Jg 106
Flugzeugfuehrerschule c 16
3./KG 2
4./(F) 121
1./KGZBv 1
FFS C 9
II./KG 40
1./LLG2
III./NJG 3
1./KG 77

Thank you very much for your help.

Dirk

Richard T Eger
07-31-2003, 01:11 PM
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Ged
Point of Contact
Tue Jul 15 14:58:32 2003
202.172.119.149

Dirk,
I suggest you try the German organisation that has a magazine called "Jagerblatt", contact: Gemeinschaft der Jagdflieger
Vereinigung der Flieger
Deutscher Streitkrafte E.V.
www.Fliegergemeinschaft.de

Prasident: Jorg Kuebart

tel: 02241 / 20 36 29,
Fax 92 26 09
E-mail:

They have many contacts for the WW2 units.

Hope this helps.