Luftwaffe Pilot Remains

[Richard T Eger]

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Dave Pawlikowski
Pilot remains...
Mon Nov 20 02:02:29 2000


If a pilot was lost over England during the BoB, or Russia during the war, was he buried in an unmarked grave and that's that?

I can imagine the Russian's would have ZERO interest in doing anything for the German's, but I imagine the Brit's woudl be more than accomadating to a war grave. Proper
identification, personal effcts to family after the war, etc...

If a pilots remain were found in a recently excavated airframe, what excatly is the procedure? Is there a commision for this?

Thanks.

ps - sorry about the death motif in my last few e-mails. Some recent research brought these questions up...

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Claudio
Remains
Mon Nov 20 17:24:51 2000


If pilots of the Luftwaffe were recovered with their wreckage after war, they will normaly buried (in the UK) in a cemetery with military honor.

Two places where to get informations :
1.) The Commenwelath War Grave Comission (Link: www.cwgc.com (http://www.cwgc.com) )United Kingdom
2.) Deustcher Kriegsgraberdienst e.V ; Kassel, Germany

Sometimes, recovered remains were brought back into the cemeteries at their hometown in Germany. In that case, the German adress is responsible.

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Mike Young
pilot remains
Mon Nov 20 18:57:09 2000


Most airmen who were lost in Great Britain were buried in local cemeteries during the war.In the 1960's most of these remains were re-interred,together with other German
losses (from POW camps etc.) in the Deutsche Soldatenfriedhof at Cannock Chase in the county of Staffordshire,where they remain to this day.I have visited this site and
can say that it is a very dignified final resting place in a well maintained cemetery in a beautiful part of England.
Also,at Folkestone New Cemetery,Hawkinge in Kent there are 47 graves-two of which are engraved Ein Deutsche Soldat. 43 are Luftwaffe airmen.While I don't know
whether the other two(Kurt Sifar and Fritz Arlt)are from the Luftwaffe.

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Martin Smart
Member
13 December 2000 13:06

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Brookwood Military Cemetery near Woking, London, is 'home' to several Luftwaffe airmen who died during the BoB. It is primarily an American cemetery, but also contains the graves of various nationalities, including German. Again, it is beautifully maintained, a fitting resting place for those brave servicemen who gave their lives for their countries.

Martin Smart

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Andrew V. Usov
Member
22 December 2002 15:02

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Dear friends!
You are right! There are a lot of luftwaffe pilots lies in their planes in russian ground.
My interest is restoring Luftwaffe planes. Now I restore BF-109F4\Z W\nr7504
Fw.Rudolf Berg 7\JG3 who is MIA. Mr. Rudolf Berg was killed in air and he was buried as unknown near Novgorod. I'd like to tell information about his destiny to Germany.
Next year I am going to get Bf-109G6 fron it's crash site in Ukraine. I'll give you more information about killed pilot.

Andrew Usov. Moscow, Russia

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William Cary
My grandfather"s grave?
Sat Jun 7 06:42:14 2003
24.165.178.252

My grandfather was a pilot in The Luftwaffe. He was shot down over England. My mother never knew where he was buried. I would like to find his grave if possible for her. His name was Franz Kreuz. I think the year was 1941. Any help would be greatly appreciated fellows. William.

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jerry brewer
search engine
Sun Jun 8 16:34:23 2003
195.92.67.74

Hi
Try searching here, most uk burials are at cannock chase, altough there are a few local cemetries, like the one near me Exeter.
Good luck with the search, if he is buried in the westcountry let me know I will see what i can do.
Cheers
Jerry

http://www.volksbund.de/graebersuche/content_suche.asp

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Andy
Who was Otto Buhr?
Tue Jun 17 13:40:13 2003
62.64.167.149

Hello board,
Buried at a local churchyard in Cornwall, near Newquay, is a German airman called Otto Buhr. The gravestone only gives his date of birth as 25.09.21, and date of death as 29/30.07.42. Is there anyone who knows about his loss, when/where/how etc. I can find no local records.
Thanks in advance.
Andy.

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CHG
Re: Who was Otto Buhr?
Tue Jun 17 20:49:38 2003
80.40.93.32

69876/141 Unteroffizier Otto Buhr was the Observer on a 7/KG 53 He 111 lost that night

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Andy
Super - many thanks! n/t (nm)
Wed Jun 18 07:19:02 2003
80.225.0.140

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Joe
jpsmias@hotmail.com
Oberfw Arthur Trutwin, 5/JG53, down 13.08.1940.
Sun Jun 29 13:35:15 2003
195.92.194.13

The following is the verbatim copy of an entry in Weymouth Crematorium records in relation to Oberfw Arthur Trutwin, born 25.10.1910 Essen:

26th August 1940, The body of an unidentified officer of the German Air Force, recovered from the sea near Portland on Sunday, 25th August 1940. The body, which had apparently been in Sea for several weeks was in an advanced stage of decomposition, and conseqently, the Town Clerk and Medical Referee (Dr Gordon Wallace) decided that the body should be cremated, for public health reasons, and that no Fuss should be paid in connection with the Cremation, and no religious service held. Identity Disc found on the Body contained the following:- BLGR/O, 67010/7.
The carrying out of the usual statutory formalities in connection with cremation was impracticable in this case.
Note;- On 18/4/47 information from Imperial War Graves Commission that the body was that of A Trutwin of German AF. Feld.
The remains were reverently dispersed in the Garden of Remembrance;

This information has been forwarded to the WASt and VDK.

Was this illegal?

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

Rick Back
information on Christian Kiechler
Fri Aug 29 13:34:39 2003
62.254.0.18

Killed over England on 24th March 1943. Anyone know what unit? Position in crew. Where buried? Fate of rest of crew?

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Joe
jpsmias@hotmail.com
Uffz Christian Kiechler, EM 58215/174
Fri Aug 29 19:01:43 2003
195.92.194.13

He was the pilot of a Do 217 E-4, 6/KG2, U5+IP, Werk nr 1183, crashed 4 km south of Kootwijk, Holland.
He is buried a Yesselstyn, Holland, Block BM, Row 3. Grave 62,with his crew.
The other members of his crew were, Ogefr Bruno Netzel, Grave 61, Ogefr Arovidas von Kroge, Grave 60, and Ogefr Kurt Wiedemann, Grave 59.
I hope this will help you.