IWM microfilms of aircraft loss records of the Luftwaffe Gen.Qu.M. 6. Abt. - 2

[Richard T Eger]

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Ota Jírovec
Ltn. Fritz Brückmann - JG 52
Tue Apr 17 17:28:58 2001

Does anyone have further information on this JG 52 ace with 30 kills (KIA 20.7.1942 in Luftkampf)- especially details about his loss (Staffel, location, a/c WNr?). Many thanks in advance for any help.

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John Beaman
Bruckmann
Tue Apr 17 19:42:22 2001


Bf 109G-2, WNr. 13 476, III./JG 52, gelbe 2 + ~, CI+KY, lost 20-Jul-42, KIA in Luftkampf near Taganrog. Awarded DK, (Source Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.10; Fast, JG 52, IV, p.70 txt)

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Ota Jírovec
Many thanks - great help (n/t)
Wed Apr 18 15:23:52 2001

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jonathan
Gunther Rall ... refresh my memory.
Tue Apr 24 22:20:04 2001


What information is there on Rall's "BK+YS/Black 3" 109G-4? Did he use it in combat at all?

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Jim P.
Re: Gunther Rall ... refresh my memory.
Wed Apr 25 00:11:26 2001


Don't know about Rall, but here's the scoop on the plane:
Bf 109G-4 19341 Lüty, Oblt. Gerhard 28 8. 52 schwarze 3 + ^^ BK+YS 08-Jul-43 MIA, cause unknown. Notlandung behind enemy lines. DK. Ru§land Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.19; Fast, JG 52, IV p.99 txt; Prien, Messerschmitt Bf109F, G & K, p.81 foto, txt Ugrim 100% F

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willy
information about fw190 a3
Wed May 2 12:52:40 2001


Hi
I want to find the fw190a3 wnr:5476 it's history.
Any information are welcome!!
Thank you

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John Beaman
5476
Wed May 2 17:27:38 2001


Fw190A-2, WNr 5476, Saul, Uffz. Hans, III./ZG 2, 21-Oct-42, Killed in crash in France, Disedon near Cognac, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.11

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Mark Sheppard
14./JG77 & Lt Hans Muhlkuch MIA 23.08.41
Wed Jun 13 14:03:16 2001


Hi all

Trying to find out a bit more on this unit.

When did it change from 5./JG77 (beleive 13./JG77 came from 4./JG77 and 6.(Z)/JG77 from 1.(Z)/JG77)

Why did it have red numbers and would the aircraft have carried the horizontal bar or the previous II Gruppe?

Has anyone seen or heard about yellow tips to the underside and / or top of the elevators tips (not wings) as part of the Russian theatre markings? Have heard about this on one Bf109 of 14./JG77 but would like to hear more?

Also has anyone more information on Lt Hans Muhlkuch who was killed in Bf108 E W.Nr1118 'Red 5' of 14./JG77. Does anyone have info on loss, date of birth and home town etc.

Any help on these subjects would be very much appriciated.

regards

MS

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Jim P.
Re: 14./JG77 & Lt Hans Muhlkuch MIA 23.08.41
Wed Jun 13 16:42:37 2001


Bf 109E-3 1118 Mahlkuch, Ltn. Hans 16 14. JG 77 rote 5 + 23-Aug-41 MIA after Luftkampf with I-16s. Finnland Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #4)-Vol. 6; Valtonen, LW Pohjoinen Sivusta, p.360 near Ura-Guba 100% F

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Marko Jeras
HELP! I need all available data on Bf 109G-2 W.Nr.13619
Fri Jun 15 16:21:06 2001


Please help. I know many of you have at least a single information on Bf 109G-2 W.Nr.13619. I need all data available. In which factory was produced, when it was assembled, when it was delivered, to who it was delivered, who was their users (one was 15./JG 52), any damage reported, pilots, it's ending???
I would be gratefull for any help. Please contact me on my e-mail and I will explain why I need that data.
Thank you and I hope to hear from you soon.
Best regards,

Marko,
Zagreb, Croatia

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John Beaman
WNr. 13 619
Fri Jun 15 16:43:19 2001


Bf 109G-2, 13619, Witt, Uffz. Karl, JGr.Ost, 15-Nov-43 , Killed in collision in flight with Bf 109G-2 WNr. 14573. France near Saintes,100% loss, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #12)-Vol.23

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Vernon
Oblt Werner Machold Crash
Wed Jun 20 04:48:21 2001


On 09.0641 Oblt. Werner Machold of III/JG.2 was shot down by HMS Blencathra whilst on a tip and run raid on the Dorset coast. His engine seized and he was forced to belly land near the village of Worth Matravers on the Isle of Purbeck and was made prisoner. The information that I have states that he was flying a Bf-109 E7 "white 15" does anyone have confirmation that this is the case? Even better has anyone got a photograph of the crashed aircraft?
Regards,

Vernon

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John Beaman
confirm
Wed Jun 20 12:18:19 2001


Bf 109E-7/U2, WNr. 5983, wei§e,15 + ^^, Source: Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.5; Ring, JG 2 loss list, p.4 and Obermaier p163

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Ota Jírovec
Ltn. Alfred Kutenberger
Thu Jun 21 16:35:24 2001


Does anyone know any details (locality, Staffel, WNr., opponents etc.) about loss of Ltn. Alfred Kutenberger
(23 kills), an ace with JG 52? He was lost in Luftkampf
on 16.9.1943. I will be grateful for any help.

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Jim P.
Re: Ltn. Alfred Kutenberger
Thu Jun 21 18:21:11 2001


Bf 109G-6 20068 Kutenberger, Ltn. Alfred 23 1. JG 52 wei§e 2 + 16-Sep-43 KIA in Luftkampf. Ru§land Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.21; Fast, JG 52 Band IV p109 txt Warenikowskaja (Pl.Qu. 7523, 35km NE of Anapa) 100% F

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Ota Jírovec
Many thanks, Jim (n/t)
Fri Jun 22 08:04:43 2001

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Andy
JG2 loses at Dieppe 19/8/1942
Mon Jun 25 20:36:28 2001


I am researching the pilots lost by JG2 at Dieppe on 19/8/1942 I am ideally looking at the two pilots of 6/JG2 who where lost on this day, Franz Sommer and Gunther Geguns. Does anyone know if there are any photographs of these two pilots anywhere. I have searched the book by Holger Nauroth and the recent Osprey books to no avail. I am also trying to find out any info about there losses. What time where they shot down by who etc. Any info would be very gratefully received.

Regards,

Andy

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John Beaman
JG 2 losses
Wed Jun 27 17:47:35 2001


Fw190A-2, 25223, Sommer, Ltn. Franz, , 6./JG 2, gelbe 11 + -, 19-Aug-42, MIA after Luftkampf with Spitfire., Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.10; Ring, JG 2 loss list, p.8, Dieppe area

Fw190A-2, 25216, Geguns, Uffz. Günther, , 6./JG 2, gelbe, 2 + -, 19-Aug-42, MIA after Luftkampf with Spitfire, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.10; Ring, JG 2 loss list, p.8; Rodeike, Focke Wulf Jagdflugzeug, p.91 foto, , near Dieppe.

[Richard T Eger]

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Ota Jírovec
Uffz. Heinrich Tammen - II./JG 52
Fri Jul 13 10:35:23 2001


Does anyone know any details about the loss of Uffz. Heinrich Tammen, pilot with II./JG 52, who became POW on 30.11.1944 (WNr., Staffel, cause, location....?). I remember reading somewhere that he had about 20 kills, but failed to find him in any Luftwaffe ace list. I will highly appreciate any help.

Ota

[Richard T Eger]

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Jim P.
Re: Uffz. Heinrich Tammen - II./JG 52
Fri Jul 13 13:14:52 2001


Bf 109G-14 510937 Tammen, Uffz. Heinrich 6. JG 52 gelbe 3 + - 30-Nov-44 MIA due to Flak. Hungary Fast, JG 52, IV p.130 txt 100% F

The only source available, of which I'm aware, that lists JG 52 aces are the Niko Fast books. Tammen is not amongst them, but it wouldn't surprise me that there are as of yet, a number of undocumented aces from that unit. Another name I've heard mentioned is Shelker, though I can find no record of him.

[Richard T Eger]

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Ota Jírovec
Schelker
Fri Jul 13 14:10:25 2001


Jim, many thanks for your help - as for Schelker, here is what I found on Schelker on http://airartnw.com/eagles@dawn.htm (I realise, this is no official source, moreover I did not find any mention of Schelker in Ader´s JG 51 book).

Unteroffizier FRIEDRICH SCHELKER
Joinimg the Luftwaffe in the autumn of 1940, Friedrich Schelker was posted to l./JG-52 at Dnepropetrowsk a year later, flying the MelO9F. Later when serving with 7./JG-51 rn the southern sector of Mariupol he was shot down and badly wounded. After hospitalisation, in 1943 he transferred to fly the Fieseler Fi.156 Storch. Friedrich sened throughout the Eastern Front, in Russia, Rumania and Hungary. He scored 22 victories and was awarded the Iron Cross 1st and 2nd Class.

Other possible ace from JG 52 could be Fw. Ernst Lohberg - if I remember properly he is mentiond in Fast´s work to have scored 4 kills on 5.7.1943 alone (and there is certain Lohberg with 18 kills mentioned in the ace list of Mr. Magnus - it would be definitely interesting to know his source) and was lost as Edmund Rossmann´s wingman couple of days later.

Ota

[Richard T Eger]

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Jim P.
Mystery aces
Fri Jul 13 14:42:06 2001


Well here's Lohberg: Bf 109G-4 19968 Lohberg, Fw. Ernst 7. JG 52 wei§e 6 + ^^ 09-Jul-43 MIA, cause unknown. Ru§land Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.19; Fast, JG 52, IV, p.99 txt Belgorod (Ugrim) 100%
F

Since Al and I have worked pretty closely on our respective lists, my guess would be that he got Lohberg's name from Constable and Toliver. There are several names listed therein that I've left off of my list because of lack of documentation. Al had asked me about Shelker -- there is no record of him being WIA in the GenQuAbt 6 reports or a privately published JG 51 list I have, not to mention Niko Fast. Hmm, the plot thickens.

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Rene
Schelker
Fri Jul 13 23:20:59 2001


I can only confirm the history of Fritz Schelker. He is alive and lives in SouthGermany.

webmaster@jg52.de

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Jim P.
Re: Schelker
Sat Jul 14 02:32:12 2001


Since there appears to be no record of his being WIA in the GenQuAbt. 6 reports, not a particularly unusual circumstance, can you provide any details on when this happened, or of his aircraft? Seeing as how he was with JG 51 at the time, the machine has to be a Bf 109F-2 or Fw 190A-2/3.

It may seem strange that a high-scoring unit such as JG 51 was flying the F-2 this late, but it's true.

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Rene
Re: Schelker
Sat Jul 14 19:59:02 2001


Sorry not at the moment. But I hope to meet him in 8 weeks at our annual reunion

Rene

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Ota Jírovec
Schelker with JG 51?
Mon Jul 16 10:44:43 2001


In my opinion can be a remark of JG 51 simply a typing mistake (and we should then read it as 7./JG 52) - the "southern sector of Mariupol" seems to be too far from operational area of Mölders Gerschwader.

Ota

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Jim P.
Re: Schelker with JG 51?
Mon Jul 16 13:00:23 2001


JG 52, JG 51 -- no record of him in either case.

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Richard