IWM microfilms of aircraft loss records of the Luftwaffe Gen.Qu.M. 6. Abt. - 7

[Richard T Eger]

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Ota Jírovec
Fw. Klaus Dadd
Tue Dec 18 10:21:37 2001

Hello,

does anyone have any information about Fw. Klaus Dadd, pilot with III./JG 52 (KIA 6.6.1943) especially any details about his loss (WNr., Staffel, location, cause...)? Did he have any kills? Many thanks in advance for any help.

[Richard T Eger]

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Jim P.
Re: Fw. Klaus Dadd
Tue Dec 18 22:27:39 2001


Bf 109G-4 19541 Dadd, Fw. Klaus 7. JG 52 wei§e 9 + ^^ 06-Jun-43 WIA due to ground fire. Notlandung. DOW on 19.6.43. Ru§land Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #10)-Vol.18; Fast, JG 52, IV p. 95 txt East of Starotitarowskaja 100% F

[Richard T Eger]

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Charles Bavaroise
Klaus Dadd Luftsiege
Wed Dec 19 06:50:56 2001


Klaus Dadd, born 22.03.1915, was credited with 14 Abschüsse, all on the Russian front. This were 9 fighters, 2 Il-2 and 3 twin-engined a/c.

[Richard T Eger]

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Ota Jírovec
Many thanks (n/t)
Wed Dec 19 16:34:16 2001

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Robert Miller
JG54 Combat on 9/11/43
Sun Dec 30 23:47:38 2001


Hello all, I am looking for some details about a combat that took place on 9/11/43 by Fw-190's of JG54. In particular I am looking information on Oblt. Robert Weiss wounded by a/c gunner and then belly landing his plane FW190A-6 Werk. #530337 (yellow 6?) at Schatalowka-Ost. Any information as to their opponents and the fate of Weiss and his plane would greatly appreciated

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Jim P.
Re: JG54 Combat on 9/11/43
Mon Dec 31 02:26:22 2001


As reported in the LW Quartermaster report:

Fw190A-6 530337 WEIß, Oblt. Robert 121 3. JG 54 11-Sep-43 Bauchlandung due to enemy fire. Ru§land Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.21; Obermaier p.74 txt Fl.Pl. Schatalowka-Ost 40% F

Nothing about him being wounded, but according to Guenther Rosipal, who recently passed away, the machine was still with the unit in 1944.

Fw190A-6 530337 3. JG 54 18-Oct-44 Technical failure. Ru§land Rosipal JG 54 loss list Pl.Qu. 546 10% F

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Robert Miller
Thanks for the info
Mon Dec 31 03:33:43 2001


Jim, thanks for the additional information. Any ideas as to the id of the planes he was in combat with? - my information indicates he was hit by a gunner on a bomber but it is not spelled out as such. Robert Miller

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Alex Smart
Oblt. Gunther Hannak
Sat Jan 12 00:11:13 2002


Does anyone have details of Oblt Gunther Hannak,of JG27 who carried out an emergency landing at Luqa, Malta on 5/5/1943 his a/c (109) coded "GP+12" was repaired and shipped to the UK.This was NOT his usual 109, what was the codes and markings of his usual a/c.
Which a/c did he fly on 12/4/1943 when he claimed his 46 and 47 victories, one being Sqdn Ldr Tommy Smart in Spitfire EP716 coded "X-A" or "X-T" which ever reference you follow.

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Jim P.
Not GP+12
Sat Jan 12 01:54:25 2002


Hannak's machine, when he was lost, was Bf 109G-6 WNr. 18046 with standard factory delivery codes. The loss data as it appears in my datbase: Bf 109G-6 18046 HANNAK, Oblt. Gunther 47 7. JG 27 wei§e GP+IZ 04-May-43 POW after engine damage during Aufklarungseinsatz (recon sortie). Notlandung. RK Mittelmeer Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #10)-Vol.17; Prien/Rodeike/Stemmer, III. & IV./JG 27, p. 326; Obermaier p129; Flypast #127, p.42 foto. near Luqa, Malta. 100% F

[Richard T Eger]

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Alex Smart
Hannack
Sun Jan 13 00:57:28 2002


Thanks
did not know of the "IZ" only saw it reported as "12"
in "Spitfires over Sicily".
But what was his usual a/c serial number and codes as flown on 12/4/43?
Alex

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Jim P.
Re: Hannack
Mon Jan 14 16:28:35 2002


No idea.

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Pepin Mawr
7.4.41 JU Luftwaffe Transport Loss Info Needed
Wed Jan 16 21:12:16 2002


Looking for info on a JU series (believe Ju-88?) lost on April 7th, 1941. Believe unit is something like 1/KG zbv 102. The radio op's name was Herbert Osterkamp (Wuppertal 19/16/6). I have his info from the War Graves website, but that's it. I asked this awhile back and someone posted the data, but I cannot seem to place it in my files. I'm looking for anything really. Unit, manifest, mission info, fate/type of loss (I believe it was an accident but I'm not sure), etc. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you!

-Pep

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Jim P.
This looks about right
Wed Jan 16 22:47:07 2002


Ju 52 6451 Köner, Ofw. Max KG.z.b.V. 102 1Z+BD DM+WV 07-Apr-41 Killed, flew into the ground in bad weather. 3 others KIC, 1 injured. Mittelmeer Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.4; Nowarra, Junkers Ju 52 p txt Leitha-Gebirge 100% H

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Pepin Mawr
Hmm...
Thu Jan 17 00:12:25 2002


Yep that would be it. How do I decipher the response though? http://www.lwag.org/ubb/wink.gif

What's 1Z+BD...tail or fuselage code? Ditto for DM+WV. What's Mittelmeer Gen Qu 6 Abt? Also the MFM #3 Vol 4, Nowarra, Junkers JU52, Leitha Gebirge etc. I assume the 100% H means 100% destroyed.

Thanks!

-Pep

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Jim P.
Your questions
Thu Jan 17 03:06:55 2002


>What's 1Z+BD...tail or fuselage code?<

Fuselage code.

>Ditto for DM+WV.<

The originally applied factory codes aka Stammkennzeichen.

>Mittelmeer<

Mediteranean theater

>Gen Qu 6 Abt? Also the MFM #3 Vol 4, Nowarra, Junkers JU52<

Sources. The Gen Qu 6 Abt is the microfilmed record of the loss as reported by the Luftwaffe. MFM #3 Vol 4 refers to the particular microfilm. Some researchers would get even more specific, down to the exact document number, but hey, one has to have a life. Nowarra Ju 52 a book source.

>Leitha Gebirge etc.<

The location as listed in Gen Qu 6 Abt - the LW loss report. Gebirge meaning mountain. They flew into a mountain, Mt. Leitha to be specific, or the Leitha mountains. A range by that name doesn't register with me. One could spend as much time learning the minutiae on European geography as on researchingg the LW.

>I assume the 100% H means 100% destroyed.<

Correct. The H means the sortie was a non-combat sortie/not a flight against the enemy or whatever vs., well i hope you get the drift. This is a designation as given in the Gen Qu 6 Abt report.

[Richard T Eger]

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Pepin Mawr
re: Your questions
Thu Jan 17 10:35:45 2002


Thanks so much for your help Jim! How does one go about getting a copy of the record of loss? I've been researching USAAF wrecks for years but I'm afraid I have no experience with Luft/Krieg a/c and what not.

-Pep

[Richard T Eger]

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Pepin Mawr
Photos of Ju 52 6451
Thu Jan 17 00:14:19 2002


Does anyone know of any photos of this a/c? Any refs would be great. Or any info besides what Jim provided in my query below (thanks Jim!). Thanks!

-Pep

[Richard T Eger]

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Günther Ott
DM+WV not identical to 6451
Thu Jan 17 14:37:06 2002


It should be noticed that St.Kz. DM+WV had been assigned to Ju 52/3m g8e W.Nr. 7648 (first flown 14.07.42) and definitely not to the earlier W.Nr. 6451 as stated by Jim P.
7648 was a total loss with San.Fl.Ber. 3 on 28.07.43 and had previously also also been using V.Kz. 1Z+BD while serving with IV./K.G.z.b.v. 1, what obviously caused Jim's mixing-up of W.Nrs.

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Pepin Mawr
re: now Iam confused lol
Thu Jan 17 15:24:10 2002


Now I'm confused. http://www.lwag.org/ubb/smile.gif SO what is the correct number and codings for the a/c I inquired about?

-Pep

[Richard T Eger]

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Günther Ott
Re: re: now Iam confused lol
Thu Jan 17 15:49:47 2002


No need for being confused - as for your 6451 just delete Stammkenzeichen DM+VW and stick to Verbandskennzeichen 1Z+BD (also note that Verbandskennzeichen were frequently reissued to replacement aircraft). Stammkennzeichen for 6451 still needs to be verified.

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Pepin Mawr
re: my confusion
Thu Jan 17 19:22:00 2002


Thanks Gunther. Where do I search for the Stammkenzeichen? And how does one go about locating the record of loss info? Are they usually lengthy or quite short? Sort of like a MACR?

-Pep

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Richard