IWM microfilms of aircraft loss records of the Luftwaffe Gen.Qu.M. 6. Abt. - 9

[Richard T Eger]

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Marko Jeras
Please help me on Bf 109F-4 W.Nr.8295 loss data...
Fri May 17 07:51:16 2002
195.29.134.157

According to data I have, on 20 November 1941 Lt.Baumgarten died in Bf 109F-4, but Gen.Quar.loss list does not mention W.Nr. of this plane. I received info that it was 8295, but what is the source of that data? If it is loss list of later date, can you please give me the date of that list?

Thank you for help and I hope somebody can help me (RA, what say you?).

Best regards,
Marko

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Rabe Anton
Bf 109F-4 WNr. 8295
Fri May 17 16:26:03 2002
198.26.120.13

No info, Marko, you'll have to see Perry, Morrison, & Co., Ltd., for data it may have.

RA

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John Beaman
Re: Please help me on Bf 109F-4 W.Nr.8295 loss data...
Fri May 17 20:56:29 2002
216.136.45.130

The loss indeed is listed in the QMG reports as well as Fast's works. It is listed however as a 60% damage on landing due to enemy action.

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Jim P.
Re: Please help me on Bf 109F-4 W.Nr.8295 loss data...
Fri May 17 22:16:50 2002
209.237.193.77

Bf 109F-4 8295 III. JG 52 08-Aug-41 Bruchlandung due to enemy fire. Ru§land Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #4)-Vol. 6; Fast, JG 52, IV, p.49 txt Plisetskoye 90% F
Bf 109F-4 8295 III. JG 52 20-Nov-41 Luftkampf. Ru§land Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #4)-Vol. 7; Fast, JG 52, IV, p.54 txt near Taganrog 45% F

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mark sheppard
which JG unit for this pilots injury.
Wed May 22 20:50:37 2002
194.222.231.236

Hi

I have a listing for the injury on a Ofw W Schweikert of the 05.10.40. I beleive he crash landed.

Could someone confirm his unit. He belonged to 4./JG51 in June 1941. Was it 4./JG51 in October 1940?

Thanks

MS

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Jim P.
Only guy I have..
Wed May 22 22:07:11 2002
209.237.196.107

by that name is:

Bf 109E 5925 Schweikert, Ofw. Willi I. JG 77 27-Jul-41 WIA in Bombenwurf. Finnland Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.5; Valtonen, LW Pohjoinen Sivusta, p.358 Fl.Pl. Kirkenes 60% F

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mark sheppard
pilot
Wed May 22 22:57:29 2002
194.222.231.236

Jim

That is the only listing I have although I am now in contact with the family. He had 10 'notlandungs' between 1935 and 45. I was trying to find out his unit (have yet to get back to the family) for 1940 and hope it might be JG51.

Looks as though he was IV/JG51 in July 1941. (or 4./JG51?. Was there a IV Gruppe by this time?)

interesting notlandungs
25.04.40 Ahrem/Koln Bf109E
05.10.40 aggeschossen Kanal Bf109E
08.12.40 Esxelbex/Frankreich. Motorstorung Bf109E

Anything on these?

regards

Mark

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Jim P.
On these dates I have...
Thu May 23 00:34:29 2002
209.237.196.147

Bf 109E-4 3883 8. JG 51 05-Oct-40 Notlandung due to fuel shortage. Kanal Mason, p.434; BoB, T&N, p.675 Audembert 30% F

Bf 109E-4 3502 3. JG 51 05-Oct-40 Notlandung due to engine trouble. Kanal Mason, p.434; BoB, T&N, p.675 St. Omer 30% H

and on 8.12 a II./JG 77 machine. Since the pilot was not injured in any of these, no name was given. It would be neat to be able to put a name with any of them. As to the April 1940 incident - I haven't been entering incidents if I didn't have at least a WNr. or name -- guess I should reconsider that 'rule'.

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

Marko Jeras
Bf 109G-1 W.Nr.77641 ???
Thu May 30 10:36:18 2002
195.29.53.53

Genst.Gen.Qu.6.Abt.(IC) list dated 28.11.1942., lists reported 65% damage of Bf 109G-1 W.Nr.77641 of Erprob.St.d.Lw.Rechlin that had Fahrwerkschaden bei Landung at Larz on 27.11.1942.

Is this 'valid' Werk Nummer or mistake? Is there other such W.Nr.s in G-1 and G-2 production?

Thank you.

Marko

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Andreas Brekken
Check Berichtigungen for the following months....
Thu May 30 13:50:46 2002
129.240.8.184

Hi, Marko.

First of all I would check the Berichtigungen for the following days, weeks and months...

Seems not to be valid.

Andreas

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Marko Jeras
Hi Andreas ! If you mean...
Sat Jun 1 01:04:45 2002
195.29.140.148

that the Werk Nummer might have been corrected in the following pages, I thought of it too, but have not found that correction. I will check it again. Thanks.

Best regards,

Marko

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Jim P.
No it isn't a valid WNr. Isn't this stuff fun?? n/t
Thu May 30 14:45:00 2002
64.223.199.2

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Martin Gleeson
FW 200C F8 + DK W. Nr. 0024.
Fri Jun 7 00:37:58 2002
159.134.167.251

Hallo,

The Heinz Nowarra book on the FW 200 Condor records that C-2 F8 + DK, Werknummer 0024 had a crash on 27 April 1942 at Orleans with III./KG 40.

However the QM General Loss Returns state it was lost on 22 October 1940 with I./KG 40, somewhere off Ireland. The bodies of two of the crew were washed ashore and buried in Ireland.

Can anyone please tell me which version of it's fate is correct ?

Regards,

Martin Gleeson

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Jim P.
Apparently Nowarra had wrong WNr.
Fri Jun 7 01:20:22 2002
209.237.196.143

OK or DK?

FW200C-3 0025 III. KG 40 27-Apr-42 Taxiing accident. Atlantik Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol. 8 Fl.Pl. Orleans-Bricy 55% H

FW200C-2 0024 Schuldt, Oblt. Theo 2. KG 40 schwarz O F8+OK 22-Oct-40 MIA with crew while on weather recon. 6 crew missing. Atlantik BoB, T&N, p.693; Mason, p.455, txt. off coast of Ireland. 100% F

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Chris Goss
Re: Apparently Nowarra had wrong WNr.
Fri Jun 7 07:28:15 2002
212.159.168.42

Agreed-0024 in 1940, 0025 in 1942

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Martin Gleeson
Thanks Jim and Chris, but still nit-picking !
Fri Jun 7 19:37:13 2002
159.134.166.69

Your help is much appreciated.

Jim I seem to have the two books you refer to if Mason is BATTLE OVER BRITAIN (1990 edition). However the page reference, 455, does not appear to fit. What have I missed ?

Just my opinion but DK seems more likely to me. Would 'O' be a rather high letter to use in a 1940 bomber Staffel ?

Thanks again and regards.

Martin Gleeson.

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Tony Kearns
FW200
Sat Jun 8 18:00:26 2002
159.134.228.92

Hello Martin,
The book by Mason which Jim P refers to is the 1969 edition, but on the question of Werke nrs. can somebody confirm the Wnr for the FW200 F8+KH which landed two months earlier (20 Aug. 1940) in Ireland and is usually referred to as 0015. Keep up the nit picking it is one of the ways to sort problems!
Tony K

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johan schuurman
jerry brewer, claim 14/8/1943
Tue May 21 20:10:26 2002
195.241.217.176

Hello Jerry,
No losses from other units. III./KG 26 with Ju 88A-4 was flying in this theatre, but on this day no losses.
Ten days later: 24/08/1943:
2./N.A.Gr.13, Fw 190A-3, WNr 304, 100%, Ofw. Arnold Weirauch, kia, bei Guernsy, durch eigener Flakbeschuss (Nicht feindbeobachtet).
Quelle: Fil 11, IWM, Luftwaffe losses.
Succes,
Johan

(I'm assuming here that these are on microfilm.

Regards,
Richard)

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Pierre BABIN
Oblt. Erich GOLLASCH IV NJG 5
Fri Jul 5 22:50:23 2002
212.194.210.135

I search information concerning Oblt. Erich GOLLASCH:

- did he survive the WWII? If no, date of his death?
- list of his claims: date, type of down allied aircrafts, places of his victories.

Besides, I would like to get pictures of Oblt. Gollasch. Could somebody help me?

Many thanks

Pierre Babin

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Jim P.
Re: Oblt. Erich GOLLASCH IV NJG 5
Sat Jul 6 00:20:16 2002
209.237.193.50

Ju 88C-6 360298 Gollasch, Oblt. Erich 2. NJG 100 25-Sep-43 MIA with crew, cause unknown. Nachtjagd Ru§land Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22; Höhler, Deutsche Nachtjagd Personalverluste, p.152 (Tscherkassy) 100% F

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Pierre Babin
Many thanks
Sun Jul 7 21:58:11 2002
213.44.145.155

Many thanks for your answer to my call. Could I contact you on your e-mail address?

Pierre Babin

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David Pausey
Gun Camera film, identities of Lufwaffe A/C help!
Sun Jul 7 17:58:12 2002
195.92.67.65

Hello everybody
I have been researching RAF Gun Camera films,Photos & the Luftwaffe loss returns held at the IWM London.I have been unable to find matching Luftwaffe losses for the following:
24-5-40
F/L Malan 74sqn claimed a Do17 E of Calais.
Film shows a Bf110 being hit & bits coming off,then the same or another Bf110 with a Spitfire on its tail.The Spitfire pulls up & the 110 crashes into the ground.
27-5-40
F/O Freeborn 74sqn claimed a Me109 5m from Dunkirk.
Film shows a Bf109 hit in the R/H wing & a lot of smoke comes from the wing.
17-8-43
F/L Gaze 129sqn claimed a Fw190 W of Antwerp.
Film shows a Fw190 hit in R/H wing & part of the wing comes off (aileron?)& a lot of smoke.
21-8-43
F/O Stover 414sqn claimed a Ju88 Enghien/Moisselles A/D?
Film shows hits round fuselage & bits flying off.
10-9-43
F/O Carlson 400sqn claimed a Ju52 St Germain sur Morin.
Poor film but does show hits on R/H side of fuselage & inner wing root with lots of smoke.
23-1-44
Lt Col Birksted North Weald wing claimed a Fw190 Breteuil.
Photo shows Fw190 being hit in the fuselage & the belly tank explodes.Photo caption says "a Norwegian pilot D.F.C. leader of a Spitfire squadron claimed a Fw190 over Northern France".I know this is not a lot to go on but I am sure this is the pilot & date.I have gone through the combat reports at the PRO & this CR fits.He was leading 332sqn.
9-4-45
S/L Mackie 80sqn two Ar96's Fassburg A/F.
Film shows hits all over A/C & then bursts into flames.
2-5-45
S/L Sheddon 486sqn U/I F/B Heiligenhafen.
Shows a Bv138 hit lots of times on R/H wing round the engine & also the L/H engine with lots of smoke.

I need info on units,pilots,damage etc
I know this is a lot to ask for & that Luftwaffe records are not complete,especially the last two!
Thanks for any info
David

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Franek Grabowski
Ju 87 lost in Poland in 1939
Wed Jul 17 20:00:29 2002
213.25.54.73

Hello
Does anyone have any data on Lw losses in Poland on 4.09.1939? Four a/c were lost, one over Warsaw, one in Aleksandrow area and two in unknown location.
One of the crewmembers of a/c lost near Aleksandrow was Uffz. Wilhelm Berschneider from Munich. The ID plate found on the crash site stated 'serie 38701.23/4 Zeichn. 87.324 F.M. 1038'. The unit was possibly IV(St)/LG1 or StG2.
TIA
Franek

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Johan Schuurman
04.09.1939
Thu Jul 18 20:09:25 2002
195.241.230.209

Hello Franek,
Laut Film 1 (Lw.-losses, Imp.War Museum) kein verluste am 04.09.1939. Wohl am 03 und. 05.
Zwisschen 1 und 14.09.1939 verluste:
151 Flugzeuge
86 Verwundete
143 Tote
202 Vermisste.

Wilhelm, geb. 12.02.1916
gefallen Aleksandrowo, S.w. Thorn

Muss Ich suchen nach Ju-87?
Johan

(I'm assuming here Johan is referring to the Luftwaffe Gen.Qu.M. 6. Abt. loss records.

Regards,
Richard)

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Franek Grabowski
04.09.1939
Sun Jul 21 22:05:54 2002
213.25.54.73

Thanks Johan
I'm awared of lack of loss return list for 4.09.1939, otherwise the loss returns for Polish campaign are not very detailed. The only listed loss for the day is the one of Do 18 of Olt. Muessing (killed). It seems however Luftwaffe lost about 20 a/c including about 4 Ju 87. One of them was lost in Warsaw (there's a photo of battered wreck) and another in Poczalkowo area, close to the Polish A/F (above data comes from Polish wartime documents). I suppose the latter was from StG 2. Interestingly apart of Me 109s (of I.(J)/LG 2 and Ju 87s, some twin engined a/c were claimed as Me 110 or Do 17. No idea about those.
Thanks
Franek

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Regards,
Richard