Museums with Luftwaffe aircraft - 3

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Drew Dorman
Rudolf Hess's Bf-110D-?, what colors?
Sun Sep 16 20:12:12 2001


I'm looking for info on Rudolf Hess's Bf-110D, VJ+OQ that he flew to Britain in May of 1941.

First, what "D" version of the Bf-110 was this? Is it a D-3?

Second, what color scheme was it painted? I've seen a decal reference saying 74/75/76, but is this right? What about 71/02/65? Any ideas on this?

Thanks!

-Drew

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Robert B.
Hess
Mon Sep 17 03:19:01 2001


The Imperial War Museum in London has a piece if the aircraft on display.They are very good with returning info if you write to them.

[Richard T Eger]

From within a thread on 12 O'Clock High!:

Stanislav Hruby
Photos of engines.
Wed Nov 14 08:55:14 2001


Hello Ray!
For some interesting photos see this: http://isweb23.infoseek.co.jp/art/tobanai/photo-room.htm
Some drawings I saw in Polish publications for the Bf 110 and Bf 109.
My best regards, Standa

[Richard T Eger]

Standa's note sounded interesting, so I took a look at the site mentioned. While in Japanese, the photos are really oustanding. All are in color and, except for some miscellaneous engine parts at the end, all can be viewed in a crisp, large size. I have no idea what the name of the site is, nor who is the webmaster. Regardless, this is a treasure.

The toughie, since the site is in Japanese, was to identify where these aircraft and engines were. Thanks primarily to Mikael Olrog's Preserved Axis Aircraft site, I was able to do pretty well on the identifications. To make it easier for the reader, I'll present the information in a beginning to end manner as laid out on the site. This means hitting the major subject icons top row left to right, next row left to right, etc. Same with the thumbnail photos that each icon leads to.

Me 262A-1a, WN 500071, white 3, Deustches Museum, Munich, 32 photos
Me 262A-2a, WN 112372, red X, RAFM Cosford, England, 2 photos

Fw 190D9, WN 601088, <1+~, Air Force Museum, Dayton, Ohio, 34 photos
Fw 190D13/R11, WN 836017, yellow 10, Champlin Fighter Museum, Arizona, 34 photos

BMW 003, 6 photos
BMW 132, Museo del Aire, Madrid, Spain, 4 photos
BMW 801, 4 photos
BMW 801, Deustches Museum, Munich, 5 photos

Jumo 213E, Champlin Fighter Museum, Arizona, 29 photos
Jumo 213a, 5 photos

DB 601, Deustches Museum, Munich, 8 photos
DB 601, 7 photos

DB 605, 5 photos
DB 610, RAFM Cosford, England, 5 photos
Jumo 222, Deustches Museum, Munich, 5 photos

German engine parts, 14 photos

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

The Virtual Aviation Museum website's strength is in its listing of aviation museums in Europe. While there is the occasional photo and minimal technical and historical detail, these are not the site's strenghts. The address of the site is:

http://www.luftfahrtmuseum.com/htmi/general/i.htm


Sections of Luftwaffe interest:


<U>Aircraft types</U>

Listed by name, designer, and category, a broad, but light depth coverage is made of much of the world's aircraft output.


<U>References</U>

Currently, there is only a listing of magazines worldwide. The intent is to add sections on famous aviators and a dictionary of aviation terms.


<U>Museums in Europe</U>

Great Britain

<U>Fleet Air Arm Museum, Ilchester</U>

Ohka II (Japanese)

<U>Imperial War Museum, Duxford</U>

Bücker Bü 131 Jungmann, G-BPTS
Bücker Bü 133 Jungmeister, G-AYSJ
CASA HA 1112 M1L Buchon
Colditz Cock Glider self-build glider for the escape of POW
Fieseler Fi 103 V1
Messerschmitt Me 109 G-2, G-USTV
Messerschmitt Me 109 G-10, D-FEHD
Messerschmitt Me 163 B 1 Komet, 191660
Nord 1002 (Bf108 Lizenz) Pingouin, G-ATBG

<U>Imperial War Museum, London</U>

See: Imperial War Museum, Duxford

<U>International Helicopter Museum, Weston-Super-Mare</U>

Junkers JU 88 A

<U>Kent Battle of Britain Museum, Gravesend</U>

CASA HA 1112 Buchon, 1480
CASA HA 1112 Buchon, 14
CASA HA 1112 Buchon fighter, 6357
Fieseler Fi 103 V1
Grunau Baby, D-3340

<U>Manchester Museum of Science and Industry, Manchester</U>

MXY-7 Ohka II (Japanese)

<U>Midland Air Museum, Coventry</U>

Flettner FL 282 V Kolibri, 28368

<U>Museum of Flight - East Fortune, North Berwick</U>

Messerschmitt Me 163 Komet, AM 215

<U>Royal Air Force Museum, London-Hendon</U>

Fieseler Fi 103 V 1
Focke Wulf FW 190 A-8
Heinkel He 162 A Salamander, 120227
Heinkel He 111 H, 701152
Junkers Ju 88 R, 360043
Junkers Ju 87 D Stuka, 494083
Messerschmitt Me (Bf) 109 E, 4101
Messerschmitt Me (Bf) 110 G Zerstörer, 730301

<U>Science Museum, London</U>

BMW 801 18 Cylinder Radial Piston Engine
Fieseler Fi 103 V 1
Focke-Achgelis FA 330 A 1 Bachstelze, 100509
Messerschmitt Me 163 B Komet, 191316
Yokosuka MXY-7 Ohka (Japanese)

<U>The Aerospace Museum, Cosford</U>

Ohka (Japanese)
Casa Ca 352 L, G-AFAP
Douglas DC 3 A, KG374 (American)
Fieseler Fi 103 (V1)
Fieseler Fi 156 Storch, VP746
Focke Achgelis FA 330 A-1 Bachstelze
Messerschmitt Me 262 A Schwalbe, VK893
Messerschmitt Me 410 A Hornisse
Messerschmitt Me 163 Komet


Regards,
Richard

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[Richard T Eger]

From within a thread on 12 O'Clock High!:

Bob Lyons
tail section
Mon Jan 14 03:33:36 2002


Tail section of Schnaufer's 110 was exhibited for quite a while in the Australian War Memorial, Canberra A.C.T. and had his kill markings painted on it, there is supposed to be one of his 110 tail sections in the I.W.M. London too, I don't know if this is the same one or not, there can't be too many in existance, the Aust Memorial is curently upgrading its exhibits, and as far as I know the tail section is still there, and curently in storage, hope this bit of info is of some interest,
Cheers
Bob Lyons

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Dick Powers
Schnaufer's Tail
Mon Jan 14 15:45:29 2002


(Peter) Hinchliffe's book (Schnaufer - Ace of Diamonds) discusses these artifacts. It seems that these were taken from a 110 that he flew during the last few days of the war, which was NOT the same aircraft in which he flew regularly. The fins and rudders on the last plane were painted to resemble the previous aircraft and are those on display in the IWM.

The actual tail (don't remember whether it was one or both) was discovered in a farmer's shed and was purchased by an unidentified "private colletor".

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Marko Jeras
Can you connect me with Bf 109G-2 black 6 restoration team?
Fri Jan 25 10:33:02 2002
195.29.140.63

I would like to establish contact via e-mail with restoraton team of Bf 109G-2 'black 6' in England. Can somebody help me?

Thank you.

Marko Jeras
Zagreb, Croatia

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Beelaert Geert
Black 6
Sat Jan 26 22:55:15 2002
217.136.86.143

I hope you are searching for the real restoration team Mister Russ Snadden and his team.
I have being reading " Black 6" the extraordinary restoration of a Messerschmitt Bf109, and written by Russ Snadden who worked for about 15 years on the plane to restore it and make it airworthy. The only way I know to contact Mister Snadden, is through his publisher, PSL
Patrick Stephens Limited an imprint of Haynes Publishing, Sparkford Nr.Yeovil, Somerset, BA22 7JJ.
Sorry if I could not help you any further.
My regards, Beelaert Geert Belgium.

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!

Marko Jeras
Mr. Geert, thank you very much. n/t
Sun Jan 27 13:21:11 2002
195.29.53.192

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Mike Shilton
Black 6
Tue Jan 29 21:25:34 2002
62.31.64.2

You might try writing to the Imperial War Museum at Duxford Cambridge as I understand Black 6 is being "repaired" there. Black 6 is due to enter the RAF Museum at Hendon, London sometime this year. Her flying days are sadly over.

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Marko Jeras
I have a contact! Thank you! n/t
Wed Jan 30 07:19:25 2002
195.29.139.195

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Dave Pawlikowski
Bf-110 at RAF Hendon
Wed Feb 27 00:10:03 2002
24.218.61.17

The Werke number is W/Nr 730301. What is the history behind this aircraft?

Are there any other photo's of it on-line besides the one of Hendon's site?

I would REALLY like a photo of the Schräge Musik mount, as it protrudes from the fuselage.

Any help here appreciated, and thank you!

[Richard T Eger]

The www.paulnann.com (http://www.paulnann.com) Military Aviation Photo Gallery has photos of Luftwaffe aircraft in various museums around the world. The website address is:

http://www.paulnann.com/


The following is a list of aircraft by country, museum, and location. Numbers in parentheses are number of photos. All photos are in color.


USA

<U>Willow Grove NAS, Pennsylvania</U>

Me 262B-1a/U1, 110639 (1)

<U>Planes of Fame museum, Chino, California</U>

Mitsubishi J8M1 Shusui (Me 163), 403 (1)


England

<U>The Fighter Collection, G-AYSJ, Duxford, Cambridgeshire</U>

Bü 133C Jungmeister, LG+01 (1)

<U>Old Flying Machine Company, Duxford, Cambridgeshire</U>

Casa 1.131E (Bü 131) Jungmann, E3B-153/781-75 (2)
Casa 2.111B (He 111H-16), B2I-27 (1)

<U>Duxford, Cambridgeshire</U>

Bf-109G-10, 2 (1)

<U>RAF Museum, Hendon</U>

He 111H-23, NT+SL (1)
Bf 109E-3, 12 (1)
Bf 110G-4, D5+RL (1)

<U>Imperial War Museum</U>

Bf 109G-2/trop, 10639/6 (3)

<U>RAF Museum, Cosford RAF, Shropshire</U>

Me 262A-2a, 112373 (1)
Me 410A-1-U2, 420/430/3U+CC (1)


Scotland

<U>Museum of Flight, East Fortune, Lothian</U>

Me 163B-1a, 191659/15 (1)


Belgium

<U>Koninklijk Legermuseum, Brussels</U>

Bü 181B Bestmann, TP+CP (1)


Netherlands

<U>Militaire Luchtvaart Museum, Soesterberg</U>

Do 24T-3, X-24 (1)


Germany

<U>Deutsches Museum, Munich</U>

Ba 349 (1)
Casa 1.131E (Bü 131) Jungmann, E.3B-555 (1)
Fi 156C-3, A-96 (1)
Junkers A50ci Junior, D-2054 (1)
Junkers F.13fe, D-366 (1)
Messerschmitt M 17, D-779 (1)
Bf 109E-3, 2804 (1)
Me 163B-1a, 120370 (1)
Me 262A-1a, 500071/3 (4)

<U>Deutsches Museum Flugwerft, Schleissheim</U>

Bü 181 Bestmann, D-ECYV (2)
Casa 2.111B (He 111H-16) (1)
Do 24ATT, D-CATD (1)
Bf 109G-2 (Hispano HA.1109K.1L) (1)
Kaiser Kal (probably Grunau Baby), D-8362 (1)

<U>Auto und Technik Museum, Sinsheim</U>

Casa 2.111B (He 111H-16), 5J+GN (1)

<U>Junkers Museum, Dessau</U>

Ju 52/3mg4e, 6134/1Z-BY (1)

<U>Memmingen</U>

Bf 109G-2 (Hispano HA.1109K.1L) (1)

<U>Luftwaffe Museum, Gatow</U>

Me 163B-1a, 191904 (1)


Switzerland

<U>Verkehrshaus der Schweiz, Luzcern</U>

Bü 133C Jungmeister, U-060 (1)

<U>Museum der Schweizerischen Fliegertruppe, Dubendorf</U>

Bü 181B-1 Bestmann, A-251 (1)
Fi 156C-3, A-100 (1)
Bf 108B-2, A-209 (1)
Bf 109E-3, J-355 (1)


Poland

<U>Muzeum Lotnictwai Astronautyki, Krakow</U>

Bü 131B Jungmann, SP-AFO (1)
Me 209V1 (fuselage), D-INJR (1)


Russia

<U>Central Museum of the Great Patriotic War, Victory Park, Moscow</U>

Bf-109F (1)


Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

alex Smart
captured Me109's
Fri Mar 8 00:55:50 2002
195.92.198.71

can anyone clear up the mistery of those captured 109's in 1939/1940?

"White 1"/W.Nr 1304 of 1/JG76 captured 22/11/1939.Pilot was Feldwebel Karl Hier.Became AE479.repaired with tail unit of W.Nr1980(I now beleive it was the tail unit of W.Nr 1480).
Went to the USA aboard the SS Drannesford in April 42 together with "Black 5" W.Nr 6147 pilot was Unteroffizier Andreas Walburger who forcelanded on 15/9/1940 in Sussex.

"Red 9"/W.Nr 3326 of 2/JG51 captured 28/9/1939.Pilot was Unteroffizier Georg Pavenzinger.

"Red 14"/W.Nr of 2/JG51 captured 22/11/1939.Pilot was Feldwebel Herfried Kloimuller.According to French recordsit was thius a/c that Capitaine Rozanoff was flying on 28/11/1939 when the tail was cut off by escortin Hawk 75A flown by Lt. Baptizets.

"Black 12"/W.Nr 4101 of 2/JG51 captured/crash landed brought down by F/Lt.Christie of 66 Squadron on 27/11/1940 became DG200.Pilot was Leutnant Wolfgang Teumer.

"Yellow 11"/ W.Nr 1251 of 3/JG76 captured in December 1939. Pilot was Leutnant Heinz Schultz. This a/c was displayed in Paris

"White 6"/ W.Nr after capture wore French markings a/c had blue sides.

On 5th of June 1940 Werner Molders of JG51 came down in French territory in his presentation 109E-3 W.Nr (Blue sides) What of this a/c? Was this "White 6"?

All replies welcome.
Alex

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Dave
4101 is at RAFM Hendon now n/t
Fri Mar 8 03:25:57 2002
203.96.111.202

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Ciglic
Ex NSGr. 10 Stuka sold
Thu Mar 21 19:44:26 2002
212.124.160.1

I just received sad news (sad for us people here) that Yugoslav aeronautical museum has sold its uncomplete Ju 87B-2 to english byer for 50.000 USD (surely so). Plane is W.Nr. 0406 "VE+KU" and was captured in 1945. It was used in combat during closing stages of war by provisional partisan squadron. After the war it was used at Technical university in Belgrade for studying purposes. Museum took it over in mid fifties. Sold parts include fuselage with wing root, propeller and both legs, but not the engine. Single part that will remain here to remind us of it is its tail.

Boris

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Peter D Evans
Current location of Spanish Bf109E?
Sun May 5 12:36:26 2002
62.30.112.3

Hi all...

I'm seeking the current news/location of Robert Lamplough's former Spanish Bf109E C4E-88. After a spell at Tangmere (Military Aviation Museum, three miles east of Chichester, West Sussex, England), it was moved to the Newbury Aeroplane Company for possible restoration....

Does anybody have any further news on the project and can confirm its current location?

Any pointers greatly appreciated and thanks in advance,

Peter D Evans - moderator
LEMB - Luftwaffe Experten Message Board http://pub73.ezboard.com/bluftwaffeexperten71774

[Richard T Eger]

The Luftwaffe Gallery website main features are its numerous color photos and profiles of Luftwaffe aircraft. The site actually consists of 2 sites, an older site and an updated site. The older site address is:

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Barracks/9686/luftwaffegallery.html

Sections on the older site are:

Galleries - Color photos, except as noted. No captions. Quantities of photos are listed as - 2, - 3, etc.

<U>Gallery 1</U>

Me 262, V 056 - 1
Me 262, WN 170303 - 1
Bf 109 - 8
MG 151/20 - 1 b&w dwg.
MG 213 - 1 b&w dwg.
MK 103 - 1 b&w dwg.
MK 112 - 1 b&w dwg.
Me 262, WN 170045 - 1 color isometric dwg.
Me 262, V 555 - 1 color isometric dwg.
Me 262, WN 170078 - 1 color profile
Me 262, V 083 - 1 color profile

<U>Gallery 2</U>

Me 262, V 056 - 3
Me 262, V 167 - 2
Bf 109G-2/Trop, WN 10639, black 6, RAFM Hendon - 4
possible Bf 109G-10, WN 151591, Messerschmitt Foundation - 3
Bf 109 - 3

<U>Gallery 3</U>

Bf 109G-2/Trop, WN 10639, Black 6, RAFM Hendon - 4 or 5
possible Bf 109G-10, WN 151591, Messerschmitt Foundation - 3
Bf 109 - 6 or 7

<U>Gallery 4</U>

Bf 109 engine - 1
Bf 110G-4/R-6, WN 730301, D5+RL, RAFM Hendon - 4
DB 605 engine, RAFM Hendon -1
Fw 190F-8/U1 (S-8), WN 584219, Black 38, RAFM Hendon - 3
Fw 190A-8/R6, WN 733682, IWM, London - 1
He 111H-20, WN 701152, NT+5L, RAF Hendon - 1
Ju 87G-2, WN 494083, "RI+JK", RAF Hendon - 1
Fi 103F-1, WN 477663, IWM, London - 1
Bf 110 rudder - 1

<U>Gallery 5</U>

Bf 110 - 5
Bf 109 - 2
Fw 190 - 1
Ta 152H-0, WN 150003, FE-112, postwar photo, now at NASM Garber - 1
Me 163B-1a, WN 191904, Luftwaffe Museum, Gatow - 1
Me 163B-1a, WN 191907, AWM - 1
Me 163B-1a, WN 191916, Yellow 26, National Aviation Museum, Canada - 1
Me 163B-1a - 1

Color Plates - Color profiles, except as noted

<U>Plates 1</U>

Bf 109 - 18

<U>Plates 2</U>

Bf 109 - 18

<U>Plates 3</U>

Fw 190 - 18

<U>Plates 4</U>

Fw 190 - 18

<U>Plates 5</U>

Fw 190 - 18

<U>Plates 6</U>

Fw 190 - 18

<U>Plates 7</U>

Ju 87 - 22

<U>Plates 8</U>

Bf 109 - 18

<U>Plates 9</U>

Bf 109 - 11
Bf 110 - 10

<U>Plates 10</U>

Bf 110 - 8
BF 109 - 1
Fw 190 - 1
Me 262 - 1
He 219 - 1
Ju 88 - 5

<U>Plates 11</U>

Me 262 - 15

<U>Plates 12</U>

Me 262 - 11
Ar 234 - 1
Me 163 - 3
He 162 - 2

<U>Plates 13</U>

Bf 110 - 4
Ar 234 - 1
Fw 190 - 1
Do 215 - 4
Ju 88 - 3
He 219 - 5

<U>Plates 14</U>

Bf 110 - 21

<U>Plates 15</U>

Bf 110 - 19 + 2 isometric drawings

<U>Plates 16</U>

Ju 87 - 16

<U>Plates 17</U>

Ju 87 - 17

Luftwaffe Aces

Table listing aces with 100 or more victories, gving name, rank, unit, confirmed victories, number of 4-engined bombers destroyed, and highest award. Photo and a brief biography are given for each ace.

Luftwaffe Rank Insignia - Aircraft markings for different staff positions within a Gruppe.

Luftwaffe Codes - Text and tables explaining and identifying the 4-digit aircraft code.

Links - Links to 7 Luftwaffe related sites.


The site has an updated second site, which can be accessed by clicking on the sentence:

"For more photos check the new site:http://luftgallery.wronger.com/"

This is on the home page of the older site. The sections are:

Galleries - Here, the photos are captioned - a significant improvement. Many of the photos are repeats from the older site. Included here are both color and b&w photos.

</U>Gallery 1</U>

Bf 109 - 5 color, 1 color profile
Fw 190 - 1 color, 1 b&w
Downed Spitfire inspected by Hans-Joachim Jabs - 1 b&w
Heinmz Schnaufer & crew - 1 b&w

<U>Gallery 2</U>

Bf 109 - 2 color, 1 color profile
Me 163 - 1 color
Ju 88 - 1 color
Bf 110 - 3 color
Me 262, WN 500491, NASM - 1 color
Ju 87, WN 2883 - 1 color (recent photo)
Fw 190 - 3 color, 1