IWM microfilms of aircraft loss records of the Luftwaffe Gen.Qu.M. 6. Abt. - 14

[Richard T Eger]

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Ota Jirovec
Lt. Heinz Steinicke
Tue Apr 1 10:08:07 2003
146.102.32.31

Hello,

Lt. Heinz Steinicke (approx. 11 kills), Staffelführer of 10./JG 51 was shot down and killed in Luftkampf east of Heiligenbeil on 19.2.1945. Does anybody know any loss data about his aircraft (such as version, Werknummer and tactical code, percentage of damage)? Many thanks in advance for any help.

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Jim P.
Re: Lt. Heinz Steinicke
Tue Apr 1 13:30:22 2003
64.223.199.2

Bf 109G-14 512124 Steinecke, Ltn. Heinz 11+ 10. JG 51 2/19/1945 Stfhr. KIA in Luftkampf with enemy fighters. RLV Ost Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #12); Ring, JG 51 loss list, p.55 East of Heiligenbeil 100% F

Bf 109G-6 440630 Steinecke, Ltn. Heinz 11+ 10. JG 51 schwarze 2 + 10/16/1944 WIA in Luftkampf. Bauchlandung. Ru§land Ring, JG 51 loss list, p.54 Ebenrode area b F

[Richard T Eger]

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Ota Jirovec
Many thanks for your kind help (n/t) (nm)
Tue Apr 1 15:55:28 2003
146.102.168.24

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Nikita Egorov
Heinz Venth on 16.07.1944.
Wed Apr 9 07:27:38 2003
62.118.158.89

Greetings!

Does anybody know what type of fighter(Bf-109 or Fw-190) was flown by Oblt.Heinz Venth sk.10/JG51 on August 16, 1944, when he was shot down and reported missing? Any details of his last sortie will be appreciated (especially, was he shot down by enemy fighters or not).

Thanks in advance.

[Richard T Eger]

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Andy
andy@flexen-pallot.freeserve.co.uk
Heinz Venth JG51
Wed Apr 9 18:50:54 2003
195.92.67.68

I have Heinz Venth's Wehrpass if you need any information from this. Contact me if you do. Do you know if there are any photographs around of him ? Of course there is one in the Wehrpass but do you know of any others ? I know this may be a stupid question but was the place he went missing in Poland ?

Best Regards,

andy

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Jim P.
Re: Heinz Venth on 16.07.1944.
Wed Apr 9 13:12:59 2003
64.223.199.2

Bf 109G-6 165594 Venth, Oblt. Heinz 17 10. JG 51 7/16/1944 Stkp. MIA, cause unknown. Ru§land Ring, JG 51 loss list, p.53 Zlowczow area 100% F

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Nikita Egorov
Thanks a lot Jim! (nm)
Wed Apr 9 15:40:55 2003
62.118.159.68

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Franek Grabowski
Re: Heinz Venth on 16.07.1944.
Wed Apr 9 17:57:25 2003
213.25.54.73

The correct spelling should be Zloczow (Z³oczów), now it's Zolochiv. Why Russland? It's not even close to!
Franek

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Nikita Egorov
Poland or Belorussia?
Wed Apr 9 18:52:08 2003
62.118.152.186

Hallo Franek!

Nowadays Zloczow is a Polish town. Was it in the territory of Belorussia in 1944? I`am asking because in one of our books I`ve met the short biography of H.Venth, telling that he was shot down in the area of Zloczow in Belorussia?!

Best regards.

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Franek Grabowski
Poland or Belorussia?
Wed Apr 9 20:45:29 2003
213.25.54.73

Zdrastvuyte!
Segodnya eto Ukraina! 50 km vostochno ot m. Lviv. ;)
S uvazhenyem
Franek

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Nikita Egorov
Many Thanks! (Bolshoe Spasibo!) (nm)
Thu Apr 10 06:37:48 2003
62.118.149.64

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Jim P.
Reference to the particular front.
Wed Apr 9 19:00:27 2003
64.223.199.2

Man, do realize how little of my database I'd actually have done if I had to pinpoint the geographical location of all these little villages and hamlets across Europe!! :))

(The above was in response to Franek Grabowski's question of why Russland.

Regards,
Richard)

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Franek Grabowski
Reference to the particular front.
Wed Apr 9 21:00:28 2003
213.25.54.73

How would you feel being listed as living in Mexico or Puerto Rico? ;)
Well over 100 000 000 people live in this part of Europe and they not neccessarily have fond memories of Russia/Soviet Union. Germans called that Ost Front and I think it's most proper name.
BTW
I understand that your 109 data is to be 'published' at 109 liar. I strongly suggest to make some kind of interface allowing to post comments to particular losses. There's plenty of such errors already in the German documents not mentioning further typos.
Cheers
Franek

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Olivier Lefebvre
olefebvre@easynet.fr
It will be possible
Thu Apr 10 08:34:49 2003
194.250.197.250

Hi Franek,

Since i'm responsible for the DB creation i can answer your question : yes it will be possible to add comments for a specific loss.

Jim could you contact me offboard please?
Indeed I need to discuss with you about the Database update process.

Cheers,
Olivier

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Jim P.
I certainly understand where you're...
Thu Apr 10 13:40:21 2003
64.223.199.2

coming from Franek. The Russland thing was a carry on from the individual who actually started the database -- Ost Front would probably be better. Yes, 'my' 109 collection is to be posted at the Lair - see Olivier's post below. He's doing the actual work to get this thing on line. I, for one, definitely look forward for updates from the community.

(Again, in response to Franek's comments.

Regards,
Richard)

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Franek Grabowski
I certainly understand where you're...
Fri Apr 11 18:06:26 2003
213.25.54.73

Looking forward to it. Don't you think it would be a good idea to keep the original place reference and to add a separate new one as well as perhaps geographical coordinates?
BTW
Would you like an updated 1939 claim chart (not finished - no Zertoerers)? If so drop me an email.
Cheers
Franek

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

Kuba Plewka
Radio code on H.Ehler's 109 G2?
Wed May 7 22:01:06 2003
217.11.141.202

Good Evening!

I'm looking for some info about Radio code on Ehler's "yellow 12" 109 G2 . On one photo I can see a EL letters under the wings, but what was two others?


Kuba Plewka

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Don Pearson
Re: Radio code on H.Ehler's 109 G2?
Thu May 8 12:57:08 2003
68.38.171.22

That photo may not be Ehrler's aircraft, rather the gelb 3 of Rudolf Müller. That particular aircraft was wnr13904 and had the factory code (possibly, as per the source I am reading) EN+EL.

Don

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Kuba Plewka
right! not the same plane!
Thu May 8 13:06:48 2003
217.11.141.202

Don!
You're right! The plane I supposed to be a yellow 12 it's not this one!
I have a book about JG5 Eismeer (wyd.Kagero) written by M.Murawski and there are three photos of white mottled G2. All are signed - H.Ehler's yellow 12. But when I compared two shots of cockpit (12 visible) and tail (victories signs) with that of plane with stamm visible I realized that shape and placing of RLM 70 (if that colour is correct?) mottles differ!

But returnig to Ehler's 12. Does that plane have a R6 modification and non-removed main gear covers?
And I still wonder if it had the stammkenziehen non-overpainted?

thank you!
Kuba

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Franek Grabowski
right! not the same plane!
Thu May 8 19:02:59 2003
213.25.54.73

I don't have the booklet, my impression was it was shortened but not updated Motorbuch. However check the old Militaria article on Rudi Mueller, there were several photos of his aircraft, coming IIRC from Bernd Barbas' archive.
Cheers
Franek

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Jim P.
Re: Radio code on H.Ehler's 109 G2?
Thu May 8 13:45:22 2003
64.223.199.2

Bf 109G-2 14810 MÜLLER, Ofw. Rudolf 94 6. JG 5 gelbe 3 + - GF+EL 19-Apr-43 POW after Luftkampf with Hurricane. Notlandung on frozen Bolschoje-See. MIA since. RK Finnland Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #9)-Vol.16; Valtonen, LW Pohjoinen Sivusta, p.383; Obermaier p171; Militaria V.1, #4, pp. 4-12 LW Fighter Aces Marking by Shigeru Nohara p7 dwg (Koku-Fan #49 color plate) Bolschoje-See 100% F

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Don Pearson
Re: Radio code on H.Ehler's 109 G2?
Thu May 8 14:33:47 2003
68.38.171.22

Jim,

Just goes to show, I was using an outdated source. Can you confirm wnr 13919 for Müller as well?

Don

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Jim P.
Yup.
Thu May 8 16:48:10 2003
64.223.199.2

Bf 109G-2 13919 MÜLLER, Ofw. Rudolf 94 6. JG 5 gelbe 3 + - (?) 08-Mar-43 Injured in crash due to engine trouble. RK Finnland Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #9)-Vol.16; Valtonen, LW Pohjoinen Sivusta, p.381 South of Alakurtii 60% H

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Franek Grabowski
Re: Radio code on H.Ehler's 109 G2?
Thu May 8 18:41:11 2003
213.25.54.73

Jim
Rudi Mueller was shot during escape attempt or it's only what Soviet papers say. I think I've got some more details but where?
BTW
Wasn't he downed in combat with Airacobras? I just remember the name of possible viktor, Bokij.
Franek

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Regards,
Richard