Luftwaffe museums in Germany - 10

[Richard T Eger]

The I Gruppe Jagdgescwader 53 (I./JG53 "PikAs") German language website is a wargamers site with historical information. The site address is:

http://www.jg53-pikas.de/

Sections of historical interest are:

Geschichte (History)

Standorte des JG 53 PikAs im WW II (Locations of the JG 53 PikAs in the WW II) - Includes tables and lists of unit commanders, bases, and aircraft types. Also, there is a nice color photo.

Erfolge des JG 53 PikAs im WW II (Successes of the JG 53 PikAs in the WW II) - Tables of claims.

Abschüsse des JG 53 PikAs während des Einsatzes im Westen 3.09.1939 bis Mai 1940 (Victories of the JG 53 PikAs during the employment in the west 3.09.1939 until May 1940)

Erfolge des JG53 während des Frankreichfeldzuges (Successes of the JG53 during the France campaign)

BOB - Erfolge in der Luftschlacht um England Teil I (BOB - successes in the air battle around England part of I)

BOB - Erfolge in der Luftschlacht um England Teil II (BOB - successes in the air battle around England part of II)

Erfolge des JG53 im Unternehmen Babarossa Juni 1941 - Oktober 1941 (Successes of the JG53 in operation Babarossa June 1941 - October 1941)

Flugplätze zu Beginn des Unternehmens Barbarossa (Map of airfields at the beginning of operation Barbarossa)

Erfolgreiche Piloten des JG53 PikAs (Successful pilots of the JG53 PikAs)

Tables summarizing successful JG 53 pilots noting names, rank, units, number of victories, highest honor received, and pilot's fate and date.

Focke Wulf - Histories, technical data, drawings, and color profiles on the following variant series:

Fw 190V
Fw 190A
Fw 190D

Also provided are short descriptions of the engines weapons and radios. Included in this section are 2 color profiles of Fw 190D-11's and technical data with a drawing related to GM_1.

Tarnschemen (Color profiles)

Tarnschemen des JG 53 PikAs(Color profiles of JG 53 PikAs)

Bf 109

Other aircraft

He 111
Fw 190
Bf 109
Me 262
Bf 110

Kennzeichnung - Color profiles with unit emblems and fuselage bands for a number of different fighter units.

Interestingly, clicking on Kennzeichnung in the menu brings up a slightly different menu. The new menu contains the additional following:

He 219 "Uhu" - History, photo, profiles, 3-view drawing, technical data, and cockpit drawing with description.

Snapshots in Manching - Color photos taken at museum in Manching. Photos include:

Bf 108 - 1 photo
Bf 109 G-10 - 4 photos

On either menu:

WW II Aircraft - Oddly, just covers biplanes, both Allied and German. Color 2-view drawing and technical data for Hs 123A-1.

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

The Messerschmitt Bf 109 website by Andreas Goldmann covers the history of Prof. Messerschmitt; the Me 109 history, variants, armament, engines, and aces who flew the Me 109; and Spanish volunteers. There is a nice photo gallery, including photos of preserved aircraft. A listing of existing Bf 109 with short histories is provided along with some photos. The site address is:

http://www.adlertag.de/mainindex.htm

Sections of interest are:

The Constructor: Professor Willi Messerschmitt - Short history of Messerschmitt and his company through WW II and beyond.

The Development of the Me 109 - Short history.

The "Me 109" Versions - Brief technical data and photos of:

Bf 109 A
Bf 109 B "Berta"
Bf 109 C "Cäsar"
Bf 109 D "Dora"
Bf 109 E "Emil"
BF 109 F "Friedrich"
Bf 109 G "Gustav"
Bf 109 H
Bf 109 K
Bf 109 T

The Engines of the "Me 109" - Brief descriptions of the engines and the variants they were used in:

Junkers Jumo 210
Daimler-Benz DB 600
Daimler-Benz DB 601
Daimler-Benz DB 605

The Armament of the Me 109 - Descriptions and photos of:

Guns and Cannons
Rockets
Bombs

"Me 109" Projects - Descriptions and histories. One plan of Me 309.

Bf 109 V-21
Bf 109 X
Me 209
Me 309
Bf 109 Z
Bf 109 TL
Me P. 1091

Assembly Sets for the Me 109 G and K - Description.

RI through RVIII
BR21
Adaption Set AS
Assembly Set "trop"

Gallery - Photos of different variants.

Bf 109B - 1 b&w
Bf 109C - 1 b&w
Bf 109C-1 - 1 b&w
Bf 109D-1 - 1 b&w
Bf 109E - 5 b&w, 1 color
Bf 109E-1 - 1 b&w
Bf 109E-3 - 12 color (Deutsches Museum, Munich)
Bf 109E-3/B - 1 b&w
Bf 109E-4 - 2 b&w
Bf 109E-7 - 2 b&w
Bf 109E-7 - 6 color (restoration at the Fighter Factory, Suffolk, Virginia)
Bf 109F - 1 b&w
Bf 109F-2 Galland replica - 1 color (Australia)
Bf 109F-4 - 2 b&w
Bf 109F-4/trop - 18 color (Canada Aviation Museum)
Bf 109F-6 - 1 b&w
Bf 109G - 2 b&w
Bf 109G-2 - 7 color (Luftwaffenmuseum Berlin-Gatow) (with brief history)
Bf 109G-2 - 4 color (Luftwaffenmuseum Hannover-Laatzen)
Bf 109G-2 - 14 color (Messerschmitt-Foundation, pictured at Oberschleißheim)
Bf 109G-4 - 8 color (Technikmuseum Speyer)
Bf 109G-6 - 4 b&w
Bf 109G-6 (FM+BB) - 18 color (Messerschmitt-Foundation, Messerschmitt Stiftung)
Bf 109G-6 - 2 color (Auto Technik Museums Sinsheim)
Bf 109G-6/R-6 - 1 b&w
Bf 109G-6/Y (MT-507) - 1 color (Central Finland Aviation Museum)
Bf 109G-10 - 2 b&w
Bf 109G-10 (black 2) - 17 color
Bf 109G-10 - 1 color (Evergreen Aviation Museum, Oregon)
Bf 109G10/R2 - 1 color
Bf 109G-12 - 1 b&w
Bf 109G-14 - 1 b&w
Bf 109K-4

Unit Organisation of the Luftwaffe - Descriptions and aircraft markings.

Rotte
Schwarm
Staffel
Gruppe
Geschwader

Asse auf der Me 109 - In German, biographies with photos of the following aces:

Wilhelm Balthasar
Heinz Bär
Gerhard Barkhorn
Wilhelm Batz
Gyorgy Debrody
Georg-Peter Eder
Adolf Galland
Gordon M. Gollob
Hermann Graf
Alfred Grislawski
Anton Hafner
Erich Hartmann
Dietrich Hrabak
Otto Kittel
Günther Lützow
Hans-Joachim Marseille
Werner Mölders
Joachim Müncheberg
Walter Nowotny
Günther Rall
Erich Rudorffer
Hans-Arnold Stahlschmidt
Johannes Steinhoff
Hannes Trautloft
Franz vom Werra
Helmut Wick
Johannes Wiese
Wolf-Dietrich Wilcke

Surviving Bf 109 - Brief histories, some with photos or links thereto.

Flying Bf 109

Bf 109 E-7 (Santa Monica, California/USA)
Bf 109 G-6 "FM + BB" (Messerschmitt-Stiftung/Germany)
Bf 109 G-10 "black 2"(Messerschmitt-Stiftung/Germany)

Static Display

Bf 109 E-3 (Munich/Germany)
Bf 109 E-3 (Duxford/England)
Bf 109 E-3 (Dübendorf/Switzerland)
Bf 109 E-3b (Hendon/England)
Bf 109 E-3 (Johannesburg/Southafrica)
Bf 109 E-4 (Mesa, Arizona/USA)
Bf 109 F-2/trop (Johannesburg/Southafrika)
Bf 109 F-4/trop. (Canada Aviation Museum, Ottawa/Canada)
Bf 109 G-2 (Messerschmitt-Foundation, Manching/Germany)
Bf 109 G-2 (Berlin-Gatow/Germany)
Bf 109 G-2 (Belgrade/Yugoslavia)
Bf 109 G-2 (Hannover-Laatzen/Germany)
Bf 109 G-2/trop. (Hendon/England)
Bf 109 G-4 (actually (2003) at Technik Museum Speyer)
Bf 109 G-5 (Dayton, Ohio/USA)
Bf 109 G-6 (Sinsheim/Germany)
Bf 109 G-6 (Utti/Finland)
Bf 109 G-6/Y (Tikkakoski/Finland)
Bf 109 G-6/R3 (Washington D.C./USA)
Bf 109 G-10 (McMinnville, Oregon/USA)

Restoration Projects

Bf 109 B/V-10a (Oberschleißheim/Munich)
Bf 109 E-1
Bf 109 E-1
Bf 109 E-3 (Berlin/Germany)
Bf 109 E-7
Bf 109 G-1/R2
Bf 109 G-6 (Australia)
Bf 109 G-6 (Australia)
Bf 109 G-6 (Cracow/Poland)

Replicas

Bf 109 V-7
Bf 109 F-2
Bf 109 G-14/AS (Leipzig/Germany)

Specials - Special articles.

Bf 109 at the IV. International flight meeting at Zurich 1937 - Summary with tables and photos of this air meet a Dübendorf Airbase near Zurich in July 1937 in which 5 Bf 109's participated.

The Bf 109 V-13 breakes the F.A.I. world speed record - Article with photos of the Bf 109V-13 breaking the world speed record on Nov. 11, 1937.

The Blue Squadrons: Spanish volunteers in the Luftwaffe - History and photos for the 5 squadrons, their emblems, their uniforms, and pilots killed or missing in action.

The Ranks of Luftwaffe, RAF and US Airforce - Table of comparable ranks.

Links - 23 links to sites covering aircraft, pilots, units, and general WW II.

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Mark Sheppard
Recoveries from German lakes
Tue May 20 09:57:03 2003
213.122.26.151

Hi all

After seeing the sonar scan of the He177 in the Müritzsee a few months back on TOCH, I was wondering what the procedure is on aircraft recoveries and why it had not been recovered. I understand the economic siutation with in Germany at the moment but cannot understand why say the Berlin Technische Museum went to Norway to recovery a large 'poor' condition project in the case of a 'Condor' (unless as it was FW and BMW - there was some tie in there), when an equally interesting and rare He177 was on their doorstep?

There is more aircraft within the lakes of the old East Germany and can't understand why more collectors have tried not to recover these aircraft from the lakes. Look what was recovered from the American lakes for instance!!

I've seen allied combat reports listing Fw190A's, Fw190D's, Seibel 204, Bf110', Ju88's all shot down or ditching within Germany lakes during the last months of 1945. There is probably also Allied and Soviet types as well!!

Just interested. Perhaps I should pack my diving suit and go diving during the summer to see what I can find.

regards

MS

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Christian Schulz
War Remnants in general
Tue May 20 13:54:11 2003
145.253.2.28

Well the problem is money. Germany as state is nearly bankrupt and has a deep economical and financial crisis. In general all those planes are property of the Federal Republic of Germany as legal successor of the Third Reich and you need official permission to salvage any kind of military equipment from WW2 (but you won´t get it in most cases due to our strict laws on weapons in general) - problem they don´t have the money to save the stuff and so they prefer to leave it where it is instead of giving it to other groups/persons. The problem is that for example the Luftwaffenmuseum in Berlin Gatow as well as the Museum für Verkehr und Technik in Berlin have lost a large part of their official financial support due to the crisis and projects for salvaging planes are either cut short or have to be abandoned at all.

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Mikael Olrog
Significance
Tue May 20 19:48:25 2003
213.89.144.151

Hi Marc,

When it comes to choose between the Fw 200 and a He 177 I can understand that the Berlin Technische Museum went for the Fw 200. It had greater impact on the civil aviation than many other aircraft constructed at that time. It broke several records and would probably have affected the way people travelled unless the war came.

The He 177 was not really a creative design, unless the coupled engiens are taken in to account - and they wern't really succesfull. The He 177 didn't contribute so much to the war effort as other aircrft did. The Fw 200 did probably contribute more to the wareffort than the He 177?

The recovered Fw 200 will be restored as a civilian aircraft thus again focusing on its impact as a peacefull transport aircraft.

Of course, I as a luftwaffe buff, would love to see a He 177 recovered and restored! :-) But if I'd have to choose between the two I'd go for the Fw 200.

/Mikael
P.S. I've got a diving license so I'll be happy to join you this summer! *LOL* And I'd like to see a Ju 188 recovered or a Do 17/217

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Mark Sheppard
recoveries
Tue May 20 20:08:33 2003
194.222.231.236

Mikael

I too would like to see a Do17.

I thought about this one a few years ago.

27.08.41 9/KG3 Gluchose-See Bruchlandung. Do17Z W.Nr2870 100%

Any idea where Gluchose-see is

Has anyone a wartime map of Northern Russia / Finland?

regards

Mark

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Dave
Recoveries
Tue May 20 22:47:09 2003
210.86.74.152

Mark et al

As you say there are bound to be several aircraft in the German lakes , I have heard of an intact Me110G and a Ju88 , there are also 'unconfirmed ' reports of a 262 , Ar234 and 163 in a lake near Rechlin . Schwerin gave up a 190D-9 and parts of another - and having a Luftwaffe base on its shores means there must be further aircraft in it.
There is a known complete Halifax [ most likely still bombed up though ;-0 ], a P-51 that ditched in a lake near Weimar etc.
As always , money is an obstacle, along with ,IMHO , the stigma still attached to WW2 relics in Germany - I don't think there is the 'will' especially at Govt. level to recover these reminders of a dark past.
Luckily organizations like the 'Messerscmitt Flight' at Manching are moving forward and showing that it is 'OK' to display Germanys'aviation heritage.

Dave

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Graham Boak
Halifax? More please? (nm)
Wed May 21 09:20:28 2003
20.138.254.2

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Dave
Halibag
Wed May 21 11:22:30 2003
210.54.207.58

Graham

Have a look here .....
http://www.arrowwarbirds.com/sitee.html

Dave

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

J.L.Santos Junior
Rechlin Archives
Sun Jun 8 06:54:11 2003
200.141.14.48

Are the Rechlin files avalable in any place, I mean, net or museum?
TIA
J.L.Santos Junior

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

jerry brewer
link to rechlin museum site
Sun Jun 8 16:22:28 2003
195.92.67.74

http://www.luftfahrttechnisches-museum-rechlin.de/

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Steve Coates
Rechlin Research
Sun Jun 8 18:32:27 2003
81.135.97.28

Christoph Regel has detailed a number of documentary sources in the book he co-authored 'German Secret Flight Test Centres'. The most obvious place to start is RL 36 (Records of the E-Stellen) at the BA-MA Freiburg. These records are, however, far from complete, which is why Christoph invested a considerable research effort in locating former pilots.

Steve Coates

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From TOCH!:

J.L.Santos Junior
Rechlin Archives
Mon Jun 9 17:32:37 2003
200.141.15.176

Dear Mr Steve and Jerry
Many thanks for your attention.
All the best
J.L.Santos Junior

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Frank Olynyk
Lou Luma claim, Jan 22, 1944
Tue Jul 15 10:44:44 2003
162.40.175.109

On January 22, 1944 1stLt James F (Lou) Luma (USAAF), serving with 418 Sqn, claimed a "Me-210 or Me-410" at 0017 hours, 20 miles SW of Wunstorf A/F. Can anyone identify possible losses for this date and location? It is unlikely to be an Me-210, an Me-110 or Me-410 is more likely. And where exactly is Wunstorf A/F?

Thanks.

Frank Olynyk.

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From TOCH!:

Bernd Barbas
Wunstorf
Tue Jul 15 14:45:33 2003
194.45.48.11

Hello Frank ,

Wunstorf is a small town some miles west of Hannover with a nice airfield and museum . Northern Part of Germany .

(The museum has a salvaged and restored Ju 52. It may have other aircraft, but a quick check did not reveal any information regarding additional aircraft.

Regards,
Richard)

[Richard T Eger]

The Warbird Alley website, by Buck Wyndham & Peter Tillson, describes itself as "an online reference source for information about privately-owned, ex-military aircraft." The site address is:

http://www.warbirdalley.com/

Sections of Luftwaffe interest are:

Aircraft Information, Histories, Links and More - As the section title describes, there are presented for each aircraft brief histories, technical data, a photo, and links to information on where examples of that specific aircraft is currently located.

Focke-Wulf Fw 190

Flug Werke, Gammelsdorf, Germany
Fw 190 Restoration at Flying Tigers Museum, Florida, USA
Texas Air Museum, Rio Hondo, Texas, USA

Messerschmitt Bf-109 - Includes link to a pilot's report.

Dakota Messerschmitts
Flug Werk, Gammelsdorf, Germany

Heinkel He-111 / Casa 2.111

He 111 visits Kingston, Ontario, Canada (Commerative Air Force)

Fieseler Fi156 Storch

CAF Ghost Squadron -- Fi 156 Storch, Texas
John's Slepcev Storch Project - Canada, Australia, China, Italy
USAF Museum Storch, Wright-Patterson AFB, Dayton, Ohio

Junkers Ju 52/3m

CAF Great Lakes Wing Ju 52, N352JU, near Chicago, Illinois
Ju-Air, Dubendorf, Switzerland

Messerschmitt Bf 108 Taifun - Includes link to Bf 108 flight report.

Messerschmitt Me-262

Planes of Fame, Chino, California
Me 262 Project, Everett, Wasington

Note, while I have only listed where information on specific aircraft are located, other, more general, information is also offered via links.

Warbird Restoration and Maintenance Links - Links to about 30 restoration shop sites.

Warbird Organizations - Links to about 50 organizations.

Museums - Links to museum sites around the world.

Airshow Links - About 25 listed.

Additional Warbird Links - Very good selection of links on the following topic areas:

Databases and History Resources
Archaeology and Collector's Resources
Books / Manuals / Magazines / Webzines / Videos
Photo Archives
Aviation Art
Pilot Supplies / Clothing / Flight Gear
Warbird Aircraft Acquisition Sources
Miscellaneous

Warbird News - A monthly update on warbirds news.

Regards,
Richard

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

Kari Lumppio
Klaus Scheer of 4./NJG 100
Sat Aug 2 21:22:46 2003
193.229.6.165

Servus!

Has there ever been published any memoires, articles etc. by/about Klaus Scheer? In any language? (IIRC he moved to Brazil post war?)

Scheer was one of the prominents of 4./NJG 100. From about January 1944 until June the same year this Ju 88 nightfighter staffel was based at Tallinn, Estonia - the very reason for my interest. Scheer made numerous claims during this timeframe.

Thanking in advance,
Kari

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From TOCH!:

Sergio Luis dos Santos
loigres@ig.com.br
He lives in Germany
Sun Aug 17 03:56:45 2003
200.151.48.145

Hi Kari

Klaus Scheer never lived in Brasil. He went to Lufthansa (and did some flights to Brasil). He´s retired and to my knowledge still alive and a member from Deutsches Segelflugmuseum Wasserkuppe-Rohem

http://www.segelflugmuseum.de/

Good luck and hugs from Rio de Janeiro.