IWM microfilms of aircraft loss records of the Luftwaffe Gen.Qu.M. 6. Abt. - 15

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Wayne Little
Bf109E W.Nr5915 Pilot I.D.
Sun May 11 11:08:28 2003
63.12.9.105

Hello to all, I just watched on the History Channel "Clash of the Warrior" Dowding Vs Goering and part way through was a very short film segment of a 109E taking off where only the tail area was visible. The W.Nr appeared to be 5915 and the rudder carried 3 rows of Black victory bars 12,15,15 in the style similar to Werner Molders W.Nr 2805. A tail shot where Molders is in the foreground and a 109E is in the background in Mushroom Model No.1,page 35 looks identical in style and position of victories. Any info would be appreciated to confirm the identity of this aircraft.Thanks in advance Regards Wayne Little.

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Jim P.
Re: Bf109E W.Nr5915 Pilot I.D.
Sun May 11 18:02:19 2003
67.242.219.82

Bf 109E-4 5915 MÖLDERS, Major Werner 115 Stab JG 51 42 vic: 12, 16, 14 schwarz balken date: between 28.Sept.-11.Oct 1940 RK,EL,S,Br Kanal foto Jagdglieger Oberst Werner Mölder p.111, 116 - F
Bf 109E-7 5915 Erg.JGr.West 11-Jun-42 Bruchlandung due to pilot error. FR Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol. 9 Fl.Pl. Cazaux 25% H
Bf 109E-7 5915 II. JG 51 31-May-41 Fehlstart. Kanal Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.5; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IV.2, p.70; Foreman, 1941-The Turning Point, II, p.267 Fl.Pl. Mardyck/Dünkirchen 40% H

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Wayne Little
Re.Bf109E W.Nr 5915 Pilot ID
Mon May 12 06:04:04 2003
63.12.7.253

Dear Jim, thanks for your excellent and detailed response.I rechecked the footage and you are spot on about 14 victories in the last row, however it doesn't show the 16th of the 2nd row so I assumed both had 15. I was more concerned with identifying the Werk Nummer! Thanks again for your reply
Kind Regards Wayne Little

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

Christiaan Vanhee
Ju 87 project
Wed May 14 20:01:53 2003
212.239.169.51

We received from Russia for our Ju 87 project in Belgium a whole bunch of useful cockpit and fuselage parts from a Ju 87 with the worknumber 5820. Can anyone shed some light about the identity of this JU 87? I know from the windshield and the instrument panel that it was presumably a Ju 87D.
Thanks in advance

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Jim P.
That is a B or R WNr., not a D. (nm)
Thu May 15 13:22:10 2003
64.223.199.2

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Christiaan Vanhee
Ju 87 project
Thu May 15 18:14:32 2003
81.11.136.29

Hello,

Thanks for the reaction. I've found in the meantime that it can be indeed a Ju 87 R2. This is what I already found.
Ju87-R2, 5786, L1+HU, I.StG5, shot down at Mischukowa, 17.06.42 (SIG)
But I'm still looking for the correct information about this particular plane with worknumber 5820. So any help much appreciated

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Andrew Usoff
Ju-87
Thu May 15 18:54:36 2003
62.105.158.8

Hello, Chris!
May be you can find any information about
Ju-87R-2 Werknummer 5778?

Andrew Usoff

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Jim P.
Re: Ju-87
Fri May 16 02:37:17 2003
67.242.219.227

Ju 87R-2 5778 5. St.G. 1 08-Aug-41 Bauchlandung. Ru§land Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #4)-Vol. 6 Sloboda 80% H
Ju 87R-2 5778 Wachsmuth, Uffz. Gerhard (Bf) I. St.G. 5 14-Jun-42 MIA after crash due to Flak. F returned. Finnland Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol. 9;Valtonen, LW Pohjoinen Sivusta, p.370 near Petsamo 100% F

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Mikael Olrog
W.Nr 5786
Thu May 15 21:19:21 2003
213.89.144.151

Hi Christiaan,

Is W.Nr. 5786 the "main" identity of the Ju 87 project?

Thanks!
/Mikael

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Christiaan Vanhee
Ju 87 identity
Fri May 16 11:39:31 2003
212.239.216.198

Hello Mikael,

Thanks for the question. No that identity has nothing to do with our wreck parts but we don't unveil the identity for the moment.
I shall let You know when it comes that far.

Christiaan

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Jim P.
All I have is...
Fri May 16 02:35:52 2003
67.242.219.227

Ju 87B-2 5820 Pauckstadt, Ofhr. Johannes SG 102 28-Apr-44 Killed in crash. Lfl. Reich BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, p.16 near Iglau 90% H

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Christiaan Vanhee
Ju 87 identity
Fri May 16 11:35:42 2003
212.239.216.198

Hello Jim,

Thanks for the reply. If You need more info or something else about this Ju 87 just let me know it.
Thanks for the effort!

Christiaan

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

John McIllmurray
Walter Baumbach
Sat May 24 09:30:29 2003
81.131.62.237

Werner Baumbach Ju 88?
Does anyone have a clear photo of a Ju 88 flown by this famous man? Techmod (and the Bilek offering of the Italeri Ju 88 A4 1/72 kit) both offer A6 + HH as a Ju 88 A4 flown by Baumbach. My problem is twofold, 1. The machine is in the markings of 1.(F)/120 not KG 30 as referenced in the decal options. 2. A photo of this machine exists in the excellent Luftwaffe codes and markings source book by Schaffer and they say it is an A5 of 1.(F) 120. The photo clearly shows that it is an A5 (or D2) not an A4, having early rudder, early engines and early style of twin rear defence windows on the canopy! I an however perplexed by the fact that the machine has the entire vertical stabilizer covered in shipping kills – which you would expect if this was a Baumbach machine but if the time was taken to apply these markings surely the time existed to repaint the unit markings of KG 30 over the previous owners marking? I realise that KG 30 could have just took the machine on charge when the photo was taken and that the tail markings could have only just been applied (the actual successes being won in early aircraft) but would a bomber unit take on charge a ex-recce machine without dive brakes fitted and with numerous bomb bay alterations?
If you have any info I would be very appreciative.

Happy modelling,

John McIllmurray

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Jim P.
You are correct in your assumption...
Mon May 26 20:54:16 2003
67.242.219.136

that 'A6+HH' is not Baumbach's machine. It was, however flown by 2 other RK winners. The machine was destroyed on 7.Jan 42. And as far as I know there are unfortunately no documented Baumbach machines yet published -

Ju 88D-1 1067 ORLOWSKI, Hptm. Helmuth (F)/HEIDENREICH, Oblt. Fritz (B) 1.(F) 120 schwarz A6+HH 14 ship kills on fin & rudder; very worn finish muted fuselage cross & ship kills RK Norway Meyer & Stipdonk, Von der Fliegerschule zum Einsatzverband p81 foto; Sq/Signal JuÊ88 book Stavanger-Sola
Ju 88D-1 1067 1.(F) 120 A6+HH 07-Jan-42 Bombenwurf. Norwegen Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #4)-Vol.7 Fl.Pl. Stavenger-Forus 100% F

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John McIllmurray
A6 + HH
Mon May 26 21:13:29 2003
81.131.192.153

Thanks Jim,

That info was great, I am afraid however that I could not make out exactly the references you gave, could you give them again on their own? I would apprieciate this very much. In the case that I can never get hold of copies myself I wonder if you could confirm for me the following; 1.Decal sheets say yellow spinners and yellow lower wing tips (why would it need the latter in Norway?.)
2. Any sign of the A (F) 120 badge on the nose?

Best wishes

John

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Jim P.
Re: A6 + HH
Mon May 26 23:14:53 2003
67.242.219.136

Meyer & Stipdonk, Von der Fliegerschule zum Einsatzverband' p.81 foto and Sq/Signal Ju 88

Those are the two sources I have in my database, but there are numerous other photo sources. The source listed with the loss of the machine is from the actual LW loss report (from microfilm).

I think there was a unit badge on the nose, though I can't remember the source of the photo. The spinners were most likely white, the staffel color. As to the yellow under the wings -- this was also to identify LW aircraft to friendly Flak.

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John McIllmurray
A6+HH
Tue May 27 08:20:13 2003
213.122.246.235

Thanks Jim,

I'm your biggest fan!
Best wishes
John

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

Jim Smith
werknummer information
Sun May 25 12:00:54 2003
212.125.48.12

Hi,

I have got two photos of Hs 126 taken in 1940 or 1941.

The first one is L2+BT wnr. 4167 of 9.(H)/LG2, the second is a detail-photo of wnr. 4097. Can someone help me with additional information?

Regards
Jim

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Jim P.
Re: werknummer information
Mon May 26 20:43:51 2003
67.242.219.136

Hs126A-1 4167 Gerber, Uffz. Helmut (F)/Treutler, Uffz. Erwin (Bf) Erg.N.A.Gr. 05-Oct-43 Both injured due to pilot error while landing. Germany Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22 Wilhelmsort 80% H
Hs126 4167 9.(H) LG 2 02-Jul-41 Bruchlandung. Ru§land Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.5 Bobruisk 65% F
Hs126B 4097 1.(H) 14 06-Oct-41 Enemy fighters. Ru§land Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #4)-Vol. 6 near Jelnja 70% F

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Jim Smith
Good information!
Tue May 27 11:27:13 2003
134.100.1.25

Hi,

thanks a lot, I hope I can help you, too.

All the best
Jim

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Richard