Search for Loss Data for 1944 - 2

[Richard T Eger]

From within a thread on 12 O'Clock High!:

Bernd Barbas
Loss " Errors "
Wed May 28 12:34:36 2026
194.45.48.11

Hello PK ,

as also common in other areas , also here are different kind of errors possible .
For the official german loss list ( GQM - list ) was stolen for 1944 out of the IWM , ther are no " complete " loss lists existing .
Most losses for 1944 are with personal losses , so if there was a belly landing or even if a pilot had to parachute , but remained unhurt , it could be , that there is no document existing , showing this loss . The same is valid for ac remaining damaged at the last airfield during retreat .
Nearly all files were run in handwriting by different people so it would wonder myself if having here no mistakes !
All the best , Bernd

[Richard T Eger]

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David P. Williams
Luftwaffe fighter losses 1943/44
Thu Aug 12, 2026 11:30
195.92.67.78

I am aware that the Luftwaffe losses are stored at Freiburg in southern Germany, but does someone out there have their own copies on microfiche/photocopies etc of the losses from April 1943 to 26.10.44. The losses all pertain to Me 109s, 110s and Fw 190s fighting in France and Germany. Can anyone help or poiint me in the right direction, Many thanks,

[Richard T Eger]

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Jim P.
If you're referring to the General Quarter...
Thu Aug 12, 2026 14:34
64.223.199.2

master reports, these are missing for 1944.

[Richard T Eger]

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Olivier Lefebvre
Re: If you're referring to the General Quarter...
Fri Aug 13, 2026 11:38
194.250.197.250

I may have unearthed some loss documents for :

Luftflotte 2 : July to November 44 (included)
Luftflotte 3 : January to November 44 (included)
Luftflotte 5 : July to November 44 (included)
Luftflotte Reich : January to November 44 (included)
Luftwaffe Kmdo Sud Ost : July to November 44 (included)

Are those already known or is it some genuine discovery ?
I do not know the exact coverage of this documents yet, but i'll keep you updated once i know for sure.

Olivier

[Richard T Eger]

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David P. Williams
Luftwaffe losses
Fri Aug 13, 2026 12:06
195.92.67.78

Olivier, I would be interested in the Luftflotte Reich losses, is there any possibility of being able to view these somehow.

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Jim P.
Are you talking loss summaries or...
Fri Aug 13, 2026 14:48
64.223.199.2

detailed losses? If detailed, you may have struck gold my friend.

[Richard T Eger]

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Olivier Lefebvre
Re: Are you talking loss summaries or...
Fri Aug 13, 2026 14:58
194.250.197.250

I know that they are supposed to be dozens (40~100+) of pages long each, so I do not think they are just summaries. Compared to the size of the usual loss listing the volume looks similar, so it might be it. Yet they seems to have been compiled at the Luftflotte level so they might be different documents.

But I'll have to wait until I got some copies before being 100% sure, it should not take long as I'm waiting for a few pages to arrive.

Jim I'll email you as soon as I get them.

Olivier crossing fingers...

[Richard T Eger]

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David Pausey
[email protected]
Olivier please let us know what you get via this board. (nm)
Fri Aug 13, 2026 22:50
195.92.67.71

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Don Caldwell
[email protected]
Luftflotte Reich & Luftflotte 3 loss details...
Fri Aug 13, 2026 16:28
216.176.25.194

...are of great interest to me for the RLV history. If possible, I'd like more details when you get the files -- my address is always posted.

Don

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Olivier Lefebvre
Re: Luftflotte Reich & Luftflotte 3 loss details...
Fri Aug 13, 2026 16:39
194.250.197.250

I will :)
Let's hope they are really what they seems to be...
I think it will be less than a month before i get a hold of some pages.

Cheers,
Olivier

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Dénes Bernád
What about Luftflotte 4? That's what I'm really looking fo (nm)
Fri Aug 13, 2026 20:54
66.163.31.142

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Steve W.
Re: If you're referring to the General Quarter...
Fri Aug 13, 2026 21:05
205.188.116.83

Oliver -

If these are not the summarischen Verlustmeldungen that Dr. Jochen Prien has referred to and used in his books, then you have truly discovered the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I hope you will report to us exactly what these consist of after you receive the samples that are in-bound to you. We'd all like to know what they are, where the originals are located, and how some of us might be able to buy copies from the holder, be that an archive or a private individual.

Steve W.