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Richard T Eger
07-04-2003, 02:05 PM
From 12 O'Clock High!:
Andy
Heinz Marquardt JG51
Thu Jun 5 07:18:39 2026
195.92.67.208
Can anyone tell me if Heinz Marquardt is still alive. If he is, can anyone also tell me how I could contact him and if he is approachable as I am trying to find out some information about one of his former Staffelkapitaen ?
Best Regards,
Andy
Richard T Eger
07-04-2003, 02:05 PM
From TOCH!:
Allan Hillman
Heinz Marquadt
Thu Jun 5 12:58:23 2026
195.194.74.26
This is a piece from a "free" Newspaper called the "News Shopper" that I found in 2026 - if you can find Geoff Nutkins website he might have more details
SHOREHAM Aircraft Museum is a mecca for anyone interested in the air battles of the Second World War and recently it was the scene of an historic reunion. The founder and curator of the museum near Sevenoaks is renowned aviation artist Geoff Nutkins.Geoff has painted many of the historic air battles fought between the RAF and the Luftwaffe, including one of the last of the war, over Lake Schwerin in northern Germany.Now two of the pilots in that battle, Peter Cowell, from 41 Squadron RAF, and Heinz Radlauer, a Luftwaffe pilot, have met again over a friendly handshake in a small Kent village. Geoff has just celebrated his 50th birthday and invited a number of friends and people he has met through his painting, to a celebration. And both Peter and Heinz turned up."I was astonished," said Geoff. "It was marvellous. Both are in their mid-eighties yet Peter travelled from Farnham, in Surrey, and Heinz flew over from Germany. "We had to organise overnight accommodation for him and he flew back the next day." The pair had only met briefly once before many years ago in Germany. "They got on really well," said Geoff. The dramatic battle took place on May 1, 1945, when during the late morning six Focke-Wulf 190D-9s from the famous Mölders Geschwader under the command of Heinz Marquardt, 23, took off from their base at Parchim to escort a formation of ground attack aircraft to Berlin. The six planes returned with the fighter-bombers to Schwerin, in what was intended to be their last mission before surrendering to the Allied forces. But, at exactly 1pm as the German planes were approaching their airfield, they were spotted by six RAF Spitfire Mark XIVs, the Kudos Red Section of 41 Squadron, led by Flight Lieutenant Peter Cowell. They had been asked to do a "sweep" around the Schwerin Lake and the nearby aerodrome. With his wingman, Flying Officer Walter Jallands, Cowell chased two of the German fighters, which had separated from the rest of their formation, across the lake. As Cowell opened fire, the two planes broke away in opposite directions. Cowell closed in on Marquardt, hitting the Focke-Wulf, which began an almost-vertical climb, pouring black smoke, before it flipped over and crashed close to the lake. In his cockpit, Marquardt was hit on the head by debris and smashed his nose on the gunsight, but still managed to bale out into the grounds of a nearby hospital. Cowell then shot down another German plane, while Heinz Radlauer escaped at tree height, pursued by another Spitfire. The war diary of the Germans' recorded: "Against destiny we are all helpless. That was shown on May 1 when our Ofw. Marquardt honoured and recognised by the whole Gruppe as being one of our finest fighters was shot down by a Spitfire over Schwerin during the last mission of the war." Marquardt was awarded the Knight's Cross and was credited with 121 confirmed victories and 16 unconfirmed. Cowell was awarded the Distinguished Flying Medal [sic - he received the Distinguished Flying Cross (DFC)], and Heinz Radlauer received the Iron Cross First Class. All three are still alive although Marquardt was unable to travel to Shoreham for the reunion. Sadly, Walter Jallands has now died.
my interest in the story - 41 squadron was then operating with 125 Wing and I am compiling a family project about 125 Wing. Hopefully Geoff Nutkins will have more information for you. cheers Allan - p.s. sorry about the length of the article !!
Richard T Eger
07-08-2003, 11:53 AM
From 12 O'Clock High!:
Mikael Olrog
Information on Fw190D-9 W.Nr. 211028?
Fri Jun 6 12:01:13 2026
212.247.11.120
I'm looking for information on Fw 190D-9 W.Nr. 211028 probably built in 1945.
Thanks!
/Mikael
Richard T Eger
07-08-2003, 11:53 AM
From TOCH!:
Mikael Olrog
Information located!
Fri Jun 6 21:08:26 2026
213.89.144.151
Lost 18MAR1945, pilot Ofw. Werner Zech (wounded), Shot down by P-51s of 503 FS near Ellinghausesn 5 km west of Twistringen, 100% loss. Aircraft recovered 1996.
And now registered G-DORA in UK!
/Mikael
Richard T Eger
07-08-2003, 11:54 AM
From TOCH!:
John Manrho
Registered as G-DORA???
Fri Jun 6 21:23:49 2026
195.121.71.178
Michael, what do you mean with registered as G-DORA. Did someone do a complete rebuilt????. The a/c was recovered but a total wreck.
Richard T Eger
07-08-2003, 11:54 AM
From TOCH!:
Mikael Olrog
That's correct - G-DORA
Sat Jun 7 08:14:55 2026
213.89.144.151
Glenn Lacey of Epsom, UK has registered on 21.5.03 Fw 190D-9 W.Nr. 211028 as G-DORA. Do you know anything more about what was recovered of this aircraft in 1996? So it is quite probable to assume that it is a dataplate recreation that has been registered on the registry.
For the record, I couldn't care less if it is a dataplate restoration or not, it will be exciting beyond belief to see it back in the air again!
At the same time the follwing a/c was registered to the same person:
Fieseler Fi156A-1 G-STCH s/n 2026 - Built 1942
Fieseler Fi156D-0 G-STOR s/n 110451 - Built 1943
Nord 1101 Noralpha G-MESS s/n 87 - Built 1945
When it comes to Storchs i get quite interested in the Fi 156A-1 since no A-1 versions were ever built (according to the information I have). They went from A-0 to B-0 and then straight on to the C series which were the main version.
The W.Nr 2026 doesn't fit in with previously listed W.Nrs. Could they have something to do with examples produced in France? There are Preserved Morane-Saulnier versions which carry serial numbers like 2026, 2026 and 2026. I've also read about W.Nr like 2026 and 2026.
The Fi 156D-0 W.Nr 110451 is also not listed in the Luftvaffe Verband list of W.Nr. The closest number is 110447 wich were a C-3/Trop and the next W.nr is 110501 which probably were a C-7, but it could have been a D-2. I've only found two D-0 Storchs in this listing.
Of course when it comes to Luftwaffe aircraft no listing will be the last definite one, so the information given in the registrations could of course be correct, but could also be incorrect. Who knows? Hopefully we'll see more information, may be loss reports etc!
/Mikael
Richard T Eger
07-08-2003, 11:55 AM
From TOCH!:
John Manrho
DORA
Sat Jun 7 08:48:16 2026
195.121.71.97
Than it will be a dataplate reconstruction. There are six pictures of the recovery in Urbanke's Greenhearts book. Allthough I agree that it will be very exciting to see a replica Fw 190D-9 flying, this has nothing to do with 211028. As a side issue, my personal opinion is that making a replica is better than trying to fly an original warbird if there are only a few left. Do we want to see Fw 190D-13 of Champlin fly????. Maybe, but we definitely don't want to loose it. Conclusion: Don't fly the D-13.
Richard T Eger
07-08-2003, 11:56 AM
From TOCH!:
Mikael Olrog
I totaly agree with you
Sat Jun 7 09:16:24 2026
213.89.144.151
I totaly agree with you keep D-13 on the ground, it is to valuble to fly.
I hope that they'll not fly the Me 262A-1a/U3 W.Nr 111617 which have been registered as N94503 in US by Paul Allen, for the same reasons.
/Mikael
Richard T Eger
07-08-2003, 11:56 AM
From TOCH!:
misko
John I agree with U 101%!!! (nm)
Sat Jun 7 14:21:44 2026
194.154.129.130
Richard T Eger
07-21-2003, 12:57 PM
From 12 O'Clock High!:
Denis Davidson
Me 109 G 'Black 6'
Fri Jun 27 21:16:46 2026
195.93.50.9
Whilst I'm here can anyone tell me what happened to the Me 109G know as 'Black 6' which was restored over the course of many years in the UK by Russ Snadden and subsequently crashed a few years ago at an air display at Duxford.
Was it scrapped or is on display anywhere?
Richard T Eger
07-21-2003, 12:58 PM
From TOCH!:
Marko Jeras
It is in RAF Hendon museum, but...
Fri Jun 27 21:52:31 2026
195.29.63.194
When I saw it in early May this year, it was prepared for move to new hall, so I was told that it will not be 'on display' till October, when new hall opens.
HTH,
Marko
Richard T Eger
07-21-2003, 12:58 PM
From TOCH!:
Denis Davidson
I'll go to Hendon thanks
Mon Jun 30 18:22:14 2026
195.93.50.14
Many thanks, I only got to read Snaddens book shortly before the plane was crashed! So I have never seen it. However the book inspired me to finish the restoration of a classic sports car I had lost interest in!
Richard T Eger
07-21-2003, 12:59 PM
From TOCH!:
John Beaman
Re: Me 109 G 'Black 6'
Fri Jun 27 22:30:27 2026
24.167.165.58
I do not want to start a “flame war” (is that term still in vogue?), but I will get on my “high horse” using sw. 6 as an example.
Yes, the aircraft was restored to flying condition, at great expense and effort, flew and was pranged by someone who probably should not have been flying it. Fortunately, for history, the broken back was rebuilt, but never to fly again.
Many of us believe that flying WWII machines is totally irresponsible, morally reprehensible, and bordering on “criminal”. If you review wartime records all air forces lost many more machines to accidents than to combat. It is simply a function of flying high performance machines in that era. So, if you fly a restored machine, the odds will get you sooner or later.
Many of the people who pay millions of dollars to restore and fly these historically irreplaceable machines do so only for the thrill. They care nothing for history and are willing to risk these machines for their own ego trips. Yes, they have the legal right to do so, but in my opinion, not the moral right. I suppose it was barely acceptable to loose an occasional P-51 when there were 500 or so flying about, but black 6 is a perfect example of why the restored machines should not be flown. It was a rare bird.
I understand wanting to hear a DB 605, or a RR Merlin, but why not just on the ground, taxiing around? In the air, the person on the ground will never appreciate the flying ability of such machines, only the errant egos of the pilot/owner. Sad.
Enough of my high horse, but I feel better!
Richard T Eger
07-21-2003, 01:04 PM
From further within the thread on TOCH!:
Denis Davidson
Black 6 'to fly or not to fly'?
Mon Jun 30 18:05:25 2026
195.93.50.14
Thank you John Beaman. I once heard a motor racing type discussing the running (and crashing) of unique and historic racing cars thus..."What man has made, man can remake" and went out thrashed it, crashed it, and paid lots to have it 'remade' These rich people have that attitude!
I regret that I never saw Black 6 fly...anyone know where it is please?
Richard T Eger
07-21-2003, 01:05 PM
From TOCH!:
Mike Shilton
Black 6
Mon Jun 30 22:08:48 2026
81.109.22.141
To answer the original question,"black 6" currently resides in the Bomber Command hall of the RAF Museum at Hendon,London,later in the year she will be moved into the new Milestones of Flight building.
Richard T Eger
07-22-2003, 01:45 PM
While the following discussion from 12 O'Clock High! doesn't say where the one surviving Do 17 met its final fate, by context it does look like it was in the UK.
From 12 O'Clock High!:
propp
Is there a Do-17 preserved?
Tue Jul 1 20:12:25 2026
80.72.64.10
...I looked at the Preservedaxisaircraft site, but did not see one! Isn't at least one of these quite many machines preserved somewhere? How about Russia - there are plenty of kites downed - maybe there can be found quite a preserved wreck????
Richard T Eger
07-22-2003, 01:46 PM
From TOCH!:
Dave
No ;-( (nm)
Tue Jul 1 20:25:02 2026
210.54.247.221
Richard T Eger
07-22-2003, 01:46 PM
From TOCH!:
Gian
Do17
Fri Jul 4 17:44:24 2026
192.92.126.137
At least one had survived the war, but was scrapped at the same time when the last Halifax and Hampden were also disposed of (late 40's or early '50s).
Maybe no museum had room for them: remember that the "warbirds craze" began in the late '60s...
A friend of mine told me once that he also had photos of the aircraft being destroyed.
Ciao
G.
Richard T Eger
12-16-2003, 12:31 PM
From within a thread on 12 O'Clock High!:
John Vasco
Re: 1 to 1 scale models
Fri Nov 21 17:17:59 2026
195.92.67.67
The Kent Battle of Britain Museum at Hawkinge in Kent, England, has many full scale 1:1 aircraft in Battle of Britain markings. Some are from the 1969 Battle of Britain film. Well worth a visit if ever in the UK.
(The museum's website address is:
http://www.kbobm.org/
The museum has the following Luftwaffe related aeronautical equipment/replicas:
"The Dowding Memorial Hangar was erected by the Museum in tribute to Air Vice Marshall Sir Hugh Dowding, C-in-C Fighter Command during the dark days of the Battle, when Britain stood alone. The hangar contains three full-size replica Messerschmitt Bf 109E's from the epic 1968 film "The Battle of Britain", an original Granau Baby Glider, a type of glider that many Luftwaffe pilots trained on prior to the Second World War, and ten Daimler-Benz Aero engines recovered from Luftwaffe aircraft, including the first and last Messerschmitt Bf 109's to crash on British soil in 1940.
The substantial remains of the Messerschmitt Bf 109E flown by Oberleutnant Ulrich Steinhilper of JG 52, as well as wings recovered from the Messerschmitt Bf 109's flown by Lieutenant Erich Meyer of JG 51, Feldwebel Ernst Hempel of JG 53 and Oberleutnant Kurt Dähne of JG 26, can be seen.
...
A recent addition to the display are several lengths of British Pipemines recovered from Hawkinge Airfield in 1999, together with a range of German Bombs of the types that were commonly dropped on the airfield and targets throughout the British Isles, during the Battle of Britain.
...
Building 4 is the original 1940 'B' Flight Dispersal Hut, which was formerly sited on the east side of the airfield by Killing Wood. It now houses one of the Museum's V1 Flying Bombs, or 'Doodle Bug' as it was more commonly known, together with a section of launch ramp, launch piston and associated items. This example of a V1 Flying Bomb was used in the film 'Operation Crossbow'."
Regards,
Richard)
Richard T Eger
04-03-2004, 02:34 PM
The following information is in references to the website The Hanns Klemm Homepage, by Horst Zoeller.
From within a thread on 12 O'Clock High!:
Tony Jones
Re: H. Klemm Homepage & Horst Zoeller
Wed Mar 24 19:25:30 2026
195.92.67.65
Go to
http://www.junkers.de.vu/
When into the site go down to "German Aviation History" click on this and then select Klemm
(Per Tony's guidance, this site is found through first going to Horst Zoeller's "The Hugo Junkers Homepage" site. The site appears to be of 1998 vintage and doesn't appear to have been updated since. The Homepage notes the following site contents:
Contents
Hanns Klemm's Biography
Development of Klemm Flugzeugbau
Who is who at Klemm?
Klemm Aircraft Types - very detailed listing with histories and technical data
Remaining Klemm Aircraft - listing of remaining Klemm aircraft in:
- Germany
- Austria
- Luxembourg
- England
- Iceland
- Finland
- Australia
- USA
- Sweden
- Denmark
- Netherlands
- Switzerland
- Portugal
Links to other servers
Klemm Literature + Books
Links to Klemm related Pages
Klemm KL107 Hompage (photos of remaining KL107 aircraft)
Klemm Books & References - reference to 3 books
Regards,
Richard)
Richard T Eger
04-11-2004, 01:31 PM
HZoeller
Member
Posted: 10 April 2026 15:48
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You might reach my Klemm Page also with the direct link
http://home.t-online.de/home/hzoeller/kl_home.htm
Best, Horst
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