Wehrmachtsauskunftstelle fur Kriegeverluste und Kriegsgefangene (WASt) - 8

[Richard T Eger]

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Ernesto del Olmo
German D9 found
Sun Aug 31 10:51:17 2003
80.129.154.75

Hi forum,

maybe there is already a thread about this theme, maybe i overread that, sorry if!

A german friend emailed me that the germans found the wreck of a 190-D9 near the town Elbmarsch which must be in the Lauenburg area. The pilot was identified as Lt. Werner Schramm. They also found a parachute with the mark Chr. Schramm. Schramm was from JG26 and killed on April 29, 45.

Ok, that´s not my problem. I have here the book of Axel Urbanke, MIT FW190 D-9 IM EINSATZ. Well, it is in german language and i am not very good in reading german. But my grandfather (ex-german stuka pilot) translated me a few lines. On page 398 there is a picture of Schramm and in the text is mentioned that Schramms body was identified 1989. He was laying in the grave near Wittenberge and that a Corporal Johannes Schlimper (6./26) is missed until now.

What is now the truth? Is Schramm identified for 100% or was it Schlimper with Schramm´s his parachute?

Thanks in advance for answers.

Ernesto

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FrankieS
Re: German D9 found
Sun Aug 31 13:04:18 2003
62.156.21.83

They
http://com-de.com/wast/frame.htm

should know the truth.
The found I.D. plate of the pilot was sent to them.

bye

[Richard T Eger]

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BR
An eyewitness claims Junkers as culprit!
Mon Nov 24 17:51:25 2003
62.156.50.68

Peter
As far as I know KG 2 and KG 40 did not fly any torpedo missions. German crew losses for 12-14 June 44 are ("Namentliche Verlustmeldungen"):
12 June - 9/KG 26 - Ju 88 A-17 (# 801709)torpedo attack off Seine Estuary
13 June - 8/KG 26 - Ju 88 A-17 (# 550907)torpedo attack off Seine Estuary
13 June - 8/KG 26 - Ju 88 A-17 (# 301162)torpedo attack off Seine Estuary
13 June - 9/KG 77 - Ju 88 A-17 (# 550057) Pl.Q. 15W/2180-1170 (Cherbourg-Portsmouth)
14 June - 1/KG 77 - Ju 88 A-17 (# 822638) Channel
14 June - 9/KG 77 - Ju 88 A-17 (# 801587) N Seine Estuary

Hope these details can help you.
Regards
BR

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Peter D Evans
KG26/KG77 action
Mon Nov 24 20:06:06 2003
82.43.56.249

Hi again BR...

Thanks for the various loss reports of KG26/KG77 actions around the period in question. If only we could tie one of these reports down to the sinking of HMS Boadicea!

Thanks anyway my friend...

Peter D Evans - moderator
LEMB - Luftwaffe Experten Message Board - http://pub157.ezboard.com/bluftwaffeexperten71774

[Richard T Eger]

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Bernd Barbas
Italian pilots at JG 52
Mon Dec 22 12:34:48 2003
194.45.48.11

Hello Friends ,

I am looking for an italian source about data of pilots .
I found two pilots in JG 52 :
1 )Orlando GUITARO , Fähnrich , III Gruppe . In Feb or March 45 he crashed deadly in a farmhouse nearby the airfield Weidengut / Schlesien ( Silesia ) There is no missing report existing , I have no further data !

2 )Basilo MADDALENA flew also in JG 52 , had some victories and was killed in the east , loss date and ac known .

Does anyone has more data about this both or an adress ?

Thank you for any help , Bernd Barbas

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From TOCH!:

Jim P.
Re: Italian pilots at JG 52
Mon Dec 22 14:12:26 2003
64.223.199.2

Bf 109G-6 20004 Maddalena, Ofw. Basilio 1. JG 52 wei§e 5 + 05-Jul-43 MIA after Luftkampf with Pe-2. WNr. reported as 2004. Ostfront Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.19; Fast, JG 52, IV, p.97 txt 10km NNE of Tomarowka 100% F

[Richard T Eger]

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Gianandrea Bussi
Basilio Maddalena
Mon Dec 22 14:37:18 2003
151.30.134.150

In 1997 I've got from WASt the following informations:
Basiglio Hermann Maddalena, born at Kiel on 14 may 1913,
missing on 5 july 1943 in the Tomarowka area after a Flugeinsatz, 1./JG52.
Regards
Gianandrea Bussi

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Paulo Dario
G. Handrick downgraded ??
Sun Dec 28 11:05:37 2003
211.72.203.65

A strange matter caught my attention:

Handrick was replaced by Galland in JG26 by mid-40, in a process so called of "new breed" in the JGs by Goring.
Latter on he was designated to III/JG52. It looks strange, a famous character(Olympics, Spain,...), being given a Group, after being Geschwader Kommodore (??)

Any comments ??
Regards
Dario

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Andreas Brekken
andrebre@online.no
Handrick really Kommodore or i.V.?
Tue Dec 30 01:06:05 2003
80.212.196.128

Hi!

My best guess regarding this matter is that Handrick was leading the JG 26 in Vertretung until a new Kommodore was in place. He then would move on to JG 52 and eventually lead the JG 5 as a Kommodore from mid 1942.

At the time Handrick was a Major, while Galland was an Oberstleutnant.

I have found that a lot of the published unit histories, not to mention internet sites, tend to put in people in functions that they were not really in, as the Luftwaffe had a lot of people functioning in the positions of Geschwaderkommodore, Gruppenkommandeur or Staffelkapitäne, sometimes for quite a long time until a proper replacement was at hand.

The problem has of course been that the sources has not been readily available.

If You are really interested in this matter, and Handrick's career especially, I would suggest the following course of action:

Request the 'Militärische Werdegang' of Gotthard Handrick from ZNS in Aachen

Check original 'Namentliche Verlustemeldungen', loss records, for Stab JG 26 in the period. The signature will tell You if Handrick was an appointed Kommodore or in Vertretung or an officer mdWdGA.

Combining these two sources, you will be able to draw a better conclusion.

Regards,
Andreas

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Paulo Dario
Thx Andreas for the valuable info (NT) (nm)
Tue Dec 30 01:58:23 2003
211.72.203.65

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Chris Goss
Hptm Hans-Karl KAMP
Sat Jan 10 08:00:38 2004
80.40.93.11

Kamp, formerly of I/ZG 76 and III/NJG 4, is reputed to have been killed in action in Dec 44; can anyone confirm or deny this?

[Richard T Eger]

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Jim P.
Loss data
Sat Jan 10 23:34:35 2004
64.136.26.235

Bf 109G-10 491253 Kamp, Major Hans-Karl 23 Stab III. JG 300 schwarze << + | 31-Dec-44 Kdr. KIA in Luftkampf. WNr. 491233? RLV VLM; Wast/Rodeike/Marktscheffe via Otto Burkhard; Girbig, Start im Morgengrauen txt North of Hannover 100% F

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Chris Goss
Re: Loss data
Sun Jan 11 08:37:10 2004
80.40.88.2

Jim: Thanks; saved me a lot of time looking it up!

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Junker
15-08-40 crash of Ju 88 from KG 30 in Holland!
Sun Mar 14 09:59:30 2004
80.164.72.226

On the returnflight from the attack on Driffield, 1 Ju 88A-1 or -5,Vkz 4D+KS 8/III/KG 30, due to navigational error, crashed in Holland. 60% damage. Bf. Fw. Heinz Przygodda injured, the other 3 unhurt. Does anyone know were in Holland this maschine came down? Any help will be greately appreciated.

Junker

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Jaap Woortman
Ju88C 8./KG 30 in Holland.
Sun Mar 14 13:07:11 2004
212.142.15.101

According to Ob.d.L. Genst.Gen.Qu.6.Abt.(IC)Nr 3902/40 g.K. H.Qu, den 18.8.40.
Flugzeugunfalle und Verluste der Verbaende am 16.8.40.
Luftflotte 5 41.) 15.8.
8./K.G.30, F, Holland, Bruchlandung, Ju88C, 10% Bruch. 3 verletzte.
Most probably they have made an emergency landing at one of the airfields in Northern-Holland.

Jaap

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Junker
15.08.40
Thu Mar 18 18:41:24 2004
80.164.72.226

The entry was corrected a few days later to 1 injured!

Junker

[Richard T Eger]

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Chris Goss
Re: 15-08-40 crash of Ju 88 from KG 30 in Holland!
Sun Mar 14 17:01:00 2004
80.40.88.44

According to the Verlustmeldung, Fw Siegfried Matschke (BS), Uffz Joachim Resin (BS), Uffz Werner Juennemann (BS) and FW Alfred Schumann (BF) were the only 8/KG 30 aircrew wounded that day but no locations given

[Richard T Eger]

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Junker
15.08.40!
Thu Mar 18 18:39:23 2004
80.164.72.226

Those mentioned were all delieverd to airfield-lazaret Aalborg-West. But Fw. Bs. Heinz Przygodda 8. Staffel were not, but he was reported injured. Source WASt-Verlustmeldungen. GQM reports 1 injured in the Ju 88 in Holland.

Junker

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Francisco E. Quiñones
Setzepfandt, Karl-Guenther
Tue Mar 16 03:12:34 2004
66.50.103.173

Have his 10 vict. but do not know of his fate, a/c his W.N.
etc. WAS IN 9/JG3 East HELP

[Richard T Eger]

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Charles Bavaroise
Fate of Setzepfandt
Wed Mar 17 15:24:02 2004
62.134.61.24

Francisco,

06. Sep. 43
Oblt. Setzepfandt Karl-Günter,
kia S of Semantes due to enemy action
1. Staffel Jagdlehrerüberprüfungsgruppe
Fw 190 A4, WNr. 722, TN+ZV, Tac. Code "12".

Source is WASt

HTH

Carl

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Francisco E. Quiñones
Setzepfandt, Karl-Guenther
Sat Mar 20 03:57:48 2004
66.50.103.68

Charles just great information THANKS, GRACIAS