Museums with Luftwaffe aircraft - 3

[Richard T Eger]

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Virgil ONeil
Horst Carganico
Fri Jan 26 19:14:20 2001


I am looking for confirmation (source) that the "Mickey Mouse" holding a pair of shoes shown on Carganico's 109G-6 are fancy shoes that he was wearing when he was
shot down in an earlier aircraft. There is a photo of this marking on pg 34 of Karl Ries "Markings and Camoflage Systems of Luftwaffe Aircraft in WW II" Thanks

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Dénes Bernád
Carganico's shoes
Fri Jan 26 19:30:23 2001


I read somewhere (I hate this expression, but that's the best I can say at the moment), that there were two dates written on Mickey Mouse's shoes, the two occasions
when he was shot down behind enemy lines and had to walk (run?) back to his comrades.

Dénes

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Jim P.
Don't know bout fancy shoes, but Denes is right. n/t
Fri Jan 26 22:02:19 2001

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Many SouFFan
shoes for the come back...
Fri Jan 26 21:17:27 2001


Hello.
you're right Dénes. Carganico was shot down twice in summer 42. the first the 22 july and he came back by feet to his base on 25 july. the second on 12 august, he came
back on day later, always by feet. these dates were written on the fuselage of his Bf 109 with a "Micky Maus" who seems to say: "I am always there but I keep my
shoes... who knows"

Many.

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Mark Sheppard
Carganico
Fri Jan 26 22:20:49 2001


He had two crashg landings in Northern Russia. Both were in desolate areas although not confirmed as behind Soviet lines.

On July 22nd 1942, Bf 109 F-4 Werke Nr10256 of Stab II/JG5 had to undertake an emergency landing due to engine trouble, this time at Murowskij. He returned to his unit
on the 23rd July 1942

On 12th August 1942, Bf109 F-4 Werke Nr10132 of Stab II/JG5, Carganicowas in a schwarm (4 aircraft) escorting a FW189 over the Liza Front and Murmansk, 10132 was
involved in an air combat with Russian fighters. The aircraft was hit from the rear starboard quarter with bullets passing through the fuselage and wings, and significantly,
through the radiator and one bullet even went through a propeller blade - sufficient damage to require an immediate landing, but not bad enough to bale out. It is thought he
was trying to get back to his own lines when the engine seized. He belly landed in an area called Motowka (Motovski Fjord - ad old Finnish name Moutkavouno or
"Torturous Fiord") . He returned to his unit on the 13th August 1942.

Both of these aircraft have been recovered. 10256 was with Warbirds Recovery Inc in Colorado a few years ago.

Bf109 F-4 is now fully restored and on display at Canada's National Aviation Museum, fully replensished with a small Micky mouse and the four leaf clover fo II/JG5. (It is
know 10132 carried both these emblmes but they had been removed between 1942-1980 by souvenier hunters).

The running shoes emblem was added because it was literally that, that he ran for most of the time to get to his unit.

Hope this helps.

MS

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Many SouFFan
re Carganico
Sat Jan 27 13:54:26 2001


Thank you Mark.

But for the first emergency landing he returned to his base not the 23rd july but the 25th july as it's written on his plane.
It's clearly visible on the 2 famous photographs of this plane (one with the black cat on the top of the fuselage and the another with out the animal).

you have the number 25 and just under the number 13 and without doubt you can see the difference between 5 and 3

Thank you again Mark

Internet is beautiful !!!, every day I learn something

MS.

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Mark Sheppard
Carganico
Sun Jan 28 00:00:02 2001


Many

Sorry about that. Doing it on memeoriy. Forget he was missing for three days on his first crash landing.

You are correct. That is the adcantage of that photo, otherwisr both 10256 and 10132 would not be attributed to Carganico.

Hopefully a full article on the guy will hopefully be in the pipeline over the next year. A fascinating person.

Mark

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Virgil O'Neil
thanks
Sat Jan 27 22:50:31 2001


Thanks to all for the speedy reply to my query. I am doing a Luftwaffe calendar for 2002 and Horst is one of the "Experten" featured.

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The Pedro Freitas Luftwaffe Internet Museum and Information Resource website has a photo collection containing a number of photos of museum aircraft. The website address is:

http://www.geocities.com/rdd02754/

Ba 349, 2 color photos NASM Paul E. Garber facility, 1 B&W wartime photo

Fw 190D-13, 2 color photos Champlain Fighter Museum
Ta 152, 5 color photos NASM Paul E. Garber facility

He 162, 2 color photos NASM Paul E. Garber facility, 1 B&W flight photo, 1 B&W Russian markings photo
He 219, 2 color photos NASM Paul E. Garber facility

Bf 109E-4, WNr. 1190, 5 color photos Duxford, 1 B&W photo
Bf 109G-10, "Black 2", 9 color photos Planes of Fame
Bf 109's, 6 color photos aircraft found in Russia
Me 410, 2 color photos NASM Paul E. Garber facility, 1 B&W wartime photo

Junkers Jumo 213 engine, 5 color photos, 1 B&W photo

Regards,
Richard

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T. C. Kenny has created a beautiful website entitled "The Flightline" WW II Aviation Archive. A number of museum photos are presented which should be of interest. The site address is:

http://www.kotfsc.com/aircraft/main.htm

Aircraft of Luftwaffe interest are covered in the following sections. Some photo labelling is incorrect, so be cautious. I've done the best I can to identify the aircraft as well as the museums some of the photos were taken at, but I certainly could be wrong in some of these.

Fighter Aircraft

The main page to this section has a beautiful color photo of two yellow nose Bf 109's in flying formation. Each aircraft covered has generally a lead color photo, technical specifications, background information, a list of variants, and a color profile. The aircraft covered are:

<U>Bf 109</U>
Bf 109 - lead color photo
Finnish Air Force Messerschmitt Bf 109G-6 (MT-507), Finnish AF Museum, Tikkakoski, Finland - 2 color photos
Spanish built HA-1112-M1L with a 1,400 hp (1044 kw) Rolls-Royce Merlin 500-45 engine, Confederate Air Force, Midland, Texas, USA - 1 color photo
Messerschmitt Bf 109G-2/trop "Gustav" on museum display, Luftfahrtmuseum, Laatzen, Hannover, Germany - 1 color photo
Messerschmitt Bf 109G-10 (black 2), USA, partially disassembled showing the fuselage - 1 color photo

<U>Bf 110</U>
Bf 110G-4/R-6, RAFM Hendon, England - lead color photo
A pair of Messerschmitt Bf 110Cs in flight - 1 wartime color photo

<U>Me 163 Komet "Comet"</U>
Me 163B-1a, National Aviation Museum, Ottawa, Canada - lead color photo

<U>Me 262 Schwalbe "Swallow"</U>
Me 262A, Planes of Fame, Chino, CA, USA - lead color photo

<U>Me 210/Me 410 Hornisse "Hornet"</U>
Me 410A-1, RAFM Cosford, England - lead color photo
The rear facing remote-controlled gun barbette on the Me 410A-1, RAFM Cosford, England - color photo

<U>Fw 190 A-Series "Wurger"</U>
Ground crews prepare a line up of Fw-190A's for flight - wartime color photo

<U>Fw 190 D-Series "Dora"</U>
Fw 190D-9, possibly the D-13 at Champlin Fighter Museum, Arizona, USA - lead color photo
A captured Fw-190D at an Allied airfield - apparently wartime color photo

<U>Fw 190 Late Series</U>
The cockpit of a Fw 190F-8 - color photo
A Focke-Wulf Fw 190F-8/U1 two seat trainer, RAFM Henden, England - color photo

<U>Ta 152</U>
The Focke-Wulf Ta 152 with a "tropical type" filter on the inlet of the carburetor - B&W photo

<U>Do 335 Pfeil "Arrow"</U>
Do-335A-02 Pfeil "Arrow", owned by NASM, USA - lead B&W photo
Do 335 Ejection Seat - B&W photo
Do 335 Cockpit Layout - color photo
Do335A-0 VP+GH (Wk Nr. 240102), owned by NASM, USA - color photo

<U>He 49 / He 51</U>

<U>He 162 Salamander</U>
He 162A-2 Salamander, National Aviation Museum, Ottawa, Canada - lead color photo

Bomber Aircraft

<U>Ar 234 Blitz "Lightning"</U>

<U>Do 17/Do 215</U>

<U>Do 217</U>
The Ruhrstahl SD 1400 X or Ruhrstahl/Kramer X-1 (Fritz X) Armour Piercing Anti-Shipping Guided missle, RAFM Cosford, England - color photo

<U>He 111</U>
CASA-2.111F, probably Confederate Air Force, Midland, Texas, USA - lead color photo

<U>He 177 Greif "Griffon"</U>
The Henschel 293 Anti-Shipping Guided Missle - B&W photo

<U>He 219 Uhu "Owl"</U>

<U>Junkers Ju 86</U>

<U>Ju 88/Ju 88 Mistel</U>
Junkers Ju 88A, RAFM Cosford, England - lead color photo
Junkers Ju 188 Mistel Composite - B&W photo

<U>Ju 188/Ju 288/Ju 388</U>
Junkers Ju 388L-0 Photoreconnaissance aircraft - B&W wartime photo

Attack Aircraft

<U>Ju 87 Stuka</U>
Ju 87G-2, RAFM Hendon, England - lead color photo

<U>Hs 123</U>

<U>Hs 129</U>

Military Ranks

Color charts of air force insignia are given for:

Germany
Japan
Italy
France
Soviet Union
Commonwealth
United State

Regards,
Richard

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

Armand
Storch
Sat Feb 10 17:50:21 2001


Does anyone know if there is still a Fieseler Storch
at the USAF Museum in Ohio. The last time I was there
photo shooting in 89 I don't remember seeing it. I
looked thru their booklet and it's in there but I don't
have any pnotos of it from my trip, so I am assuming
that it was moved or ?

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Morten Jessen
Fi 156 in Dayton, Ohio
Sat Feb 10 18:26:43 2001


I visited the museum in the fall '99 and it was there, but it is hangning under the roof of one of the hangars so you can't get a close look.

Regards,
Morten

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Hans Smit
Fieseler Storch
Sat Feb 10 20:18:27 2001


Armand and Morten

If you ever get in our neigborhood in the Southwest, we have an very nice museum and all aircraft in there are in flying condition. One of them is a Fieseler Storch.
To see the collection you will have to come to El Paso or Las Cruses. The museum is "The War Eagle Museum" in Santa Teresa.

Maybe we can see you there?
Hans

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Bill Nolen
War Eagle Museum #2
Mon Feb 12 00:23:54 2001


And to keep these posting on topic...they also have a Me-109 noise cone. (spinner?)
Bill

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Armand
Storch
Sat Feb 10 20:51:24 2001


Thanks Guys,
Morton, do you mean one of the annex
hangers or in the main museum??

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Mikael Olrog
USAFM f1 156
Sun Feb 11 09:29:09 2001


Hi,

It was on display hanging from the ceiling when I was there in -92 (it's time to go again! ;-) and you can see a photo of it at my site. www.algonet.se/~molrog/ (http://www.algonet.se/~molrog/)

/Mikael

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Morten Jessen
It is in the halls you have access to as a guest
Sat Feb 10 23:31:43 2001


Hi,

The Fi 156 is in the hall with WWII aircraft. Not in one of the hangars where they restore aircraft. If you go to the museum you have access to the Fi 156 "display".
I can't describe the position of the aircraft any better (I was there in November 99 ;-)

Regards,
Morten

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The Aircraft Resource Center website, alternatively known as the three Steves' Aircraft Resource Center website, is aimed at modellers. It's biggest attraction to the researcher is its very large collection of photos of museum aircraft. The site address is:

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/

This site has clearly been around a long time with over 500,000 hits. The following sections are of historical interest:

Gallery

There is an historical article on Martin Drewes & Bf-110G-4 "G9+WD" by Marcus V. T. Borges, with a picture of Drewes, a photo with his plane, and a b&w profile.

Aircraft Walk Around Section

Here are walk around photos from various museums. All but 2 of the photos are in color:

Ar 234 - Paul E. Garber Facility, Suitland, Maryland (NASM). 1 photo.

Ba 349 - Paul E. Garber Facility, Suitland, Maryland (NASM). 1 photo.

Bv 155 - Paul E. Garber Facility, Suitland, Maryland (NASM). 1 photo.

CASA 2111 H-16 (Spanish Licence built He111H, powered by Rolls Royce Merlins) (9K+GS) - This plane is based in Mesa, Arizonia but it attends many airshows each year. 14 color photos.

Do 335 (VG+PH) - Photos taken at the Deutsches Museum, Munich, Germany. 12 color photos.

Fieseler Storch (actually a Morane Saulnier M.S. 502) (D-EGTY) - Photos were taken at the flight-day in Braunschweig (Germany) July 2000. 4 color photos.

Fw 190 (F or G) - Paul E. Garber Facility, Suitland, Maryland (NASM). 1 photo of plane, 1 of BMW 801 engine.

Focke Wulf Ta 152H - Paul E. Garber Facility in Suitland Maryland (NASM). 2 photos.

Ju 87 Stuka (A5+HL) - Museum of Science and Industry, Chicago, Illinois. 3 photos.

Ju 87D Stuka (R1+JK) - RAF Museum, London, England. 37 photos.

Bf 109E (-+->) - Deutsches Museum, Munich, Germany. 18 photos.

Bf 109E (+12) - Hendon Museum, England. 15 photos.

Bf 109G-10 (2+-) - Duxford Airfield, England. 10 photos.

Bf 109 (+4) - U.S.A.F. Museum, Dayton, Ohio. 19 photos.

Bf 110 G-4/R60 (D5+RL) - RAF Museum, Hendon, England. 30 photos.

Me 163B-1 - Deutches Museum, Munich, Germany. 56 photos.

Me 163B-1 (T2-500) - "The Mighty Eighth" Museum, Savannah, Georgia. 37 photos.

Me 262A (+3) - Deutches Museum, Munich, Germany. 15 photos.

Me 262B-1a (35) (WN 110639) -
Me 262 Project, Everett, Washington. 24 photos plus 1 of the project's blue nose new build.
Willow Grove Naval Air Station, Willow Grove, Pennsylvania. 4 photos.

Me 410 (F6+W?) (T2-499) - Paul E. Garber Facility, Suitland, Maryland (NASM). 3 photos.

Me 410 (3U+CC) (WN 420430) - Cosford Museum, England. 40 photos.

V-1 - RAF Museum, Hendon, London, England. 2 photos.

V-1 - Imperial War Museum, London, England. 2 photos.

Regards,
Richard

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Jon Gant claims for his Messerschmitt Bf 109 website that it is the most authoritative site on the Bf 109. Having now reviewed it, I believe he certainly is in competition for that title. His site address is:

http://www.bf109.com/frameset.html

The sections of the site are as follows:

Site Articles

Messerschmitt Bf 109: The Beginning - Very short article with 2 color drawings and a b&w side view drawing.

Bf 109 Armament, by Tony Williams - Discusses the various armaments used by the Bf 109. A link labelled "armament" at the bottom of the article leads to significantly more information.

Hans Dittes 'Black 2' - Includes 3 color photos.

Preservation of Leather Artifacts: US Air Force Museum

Bf 109 Replica Project - Jon's ambition to build a replica. A link to an article on the Dakota Bf 109 replica tells the story of this interesting project, along with several color photos.

Meeting Franz Stigler, by Markus and Ryan Muntener - Short interview with 1 color and 2 b&w photos.

Bf109 Variant Evolution Information - Production numbers and list of variants with short description of what was unique about each one. Includes photos and drawings of some of the variants.

Messerschmitt Bf 109 Foreign Variations - Useage by Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechoslovakia, and Spain. Some tabular data.

Performance Statistics of the Bf 109 - Technical and performance information for the Bf 109V1, V3, B-2, E-4, F-3, G-6, and K-4. Five b&w photos.

Engine Construction Information - Technical information on the DB 600, DB 601, and DB 605. One b&w drawing, 1 color photo. Link to article on DB 601 and DB 605 with technical information, b&w drawing, and cutaway line drawing.

Armament Information - Table and description of armament used, color photo of amunition, table by variant indicating armament used along with history of useage, and two phantom drawings of amunition.

Pilots Manuals - Acrobat downloadable manuals for the Bf 109E, G-2, and K-4, along with English translations of the G-2 and K-4 manuals.

Flying the Messerschmitt Bf 109

RAE evaluation

Mark Hanna's commentary

Comments by 3 Luftwaffe pilots

Includes 3 color photos.

Photo Gallery

<U>Favourite Images</U>

MBB Bf 109G - 1 color photo
Bf 109G-2 'Black 6', WN 10639 - 2 color photos
Aerial shot, possibly of Black 2 - 1 color photo
Head-on cockpit - 2 b&w shots
Bf 109G-6 (D-FMBB) - 2 color photos

<U>Assorted 109 Images</U> - 3 color, 4 b&w photos

<U>Duxford Museum Visit (Nov' 2000)</U> - 5 color photos

<U>Deutsches Museum Visit</U>

BF 109E-3, WN 790 - 4 color photos
Ju 52 - 1 color photo
Me 163 - 1 color photo
Me 262 - 2 color photos
DB engine - 1 color photo

<U>The Art of Frank "Gray Eagle" Williamson</U> - 3 color in-flight images

Video Footage

A small video that Matt created for the site, but was not used because of bandwidth issues.

A larger movie showing archive footage of 109's taking off and in flight (with sound). Submitted by Sebastian Schweizer.

Sounds

A nice example of a 109 flypast, gives a great sense of the Daimler Benz's immense power.

Survivors News - News on Bf 109 airframes around the world. One fascinating color photo of 3 Me 262 fuselages.

Airworthy Messerschmit Bf 109 Survivors - Table listing 8 aircraft.

Static/Under Restoration Bf 109 Survivors - Large listing of survivors.

Message Board - Forum requiring membership.

Links - Five listed.

Bibliography - Ten references listed.

Regards,
Richard

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Much of James Yeowell's Horrido! - The Luftwaffe Research Website either never existed or has been drastically curtailed. What remains essentially are tables of Bf 109 Stammkennzeichen and a listing of Bf 109 survivors & replicas. The website address is:

http://www.yeowell19.freeserve.co.uk/

The sections of interest on this site are:

What's New - The usual site updates. Unfortunately, the site has not been updated since Dec. 1999.

The Messerschmitt Bf 109 Research page

<U>Bf 109 Stammkennzeichen</U> - Tables of Stammkennzeichen for the following ranges:

Stammkennzeichen ??+AA - FL+??

Stammkennzeichen GA+GH - NW+KU

Stammkennzeichen PB+?? - WU+PF

<U>Bf 109 Survivors & Replicas</U> - Information covering aircraft in:

USA
Canada
UK
Finland
Norway
Germany
Poland
Switzerland
Italy
Yugoslavia
South Africa
Australia

Links - Fairly short and a bit out of date.

Regards,
Richard

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

James R. Yeowell
Bf 109G-10 Schwarz '2 +' ex Dittes
Sat Mar 10 17:09:38 2001


Hello,

Sorry to cause confusion, I haven't updated my sight for a while, I will try to update in the near future.
It seems that Black '2' has been sold by Hans Dittes, where he had it flying at Mannheim, Germany, to the Planes of Fame Museum (according to Aeroplane magazine),
this is a shame, as this now means there are currently (as far as I know) no Luftwaffe fighters now flying in Europe, I know Dittes' Bf 109G-10 was made up of parts from a
genuine G-10, but it mainly consists of a Spanish built aircraft. I would still count it as partly original.

The reason I had it at as being at Duxford, was because it was often on display at British Airshows and thus stored at Duxford regularly.

Further information would be appreciated on the current whereabouts of Black '2'

Regards,

James R. Yeowell

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Richard T. Eger
Re. : Ownership of Bf 109G-10, "black 2"
Sun Mar 11 14:44:32 2001


Dear James,

Thanks for the update. Seems like ownership changes hands on many of these aircraft and it is hard to keep up with them.

Regards,
Richard