Museums with Luftwaffe aircraft - 4

[Richard T Eger]

The AirVenture website, by Hartmut Seidel und Gerhard Schmid, emphasizes airshows, but contains some nice photos of Luftwaffe museum and flying restoration aircraft, as well as some capsule articles. The address for this German language site is:

http://www.airventure.de/index.html

Sections of interest:

Termine - Airshow dates. Includes links to sites containing material of Luftwaffe interest.

News

<U>Sie fliegt wieder - die Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-10 "Schwarze Zwei"</U> - Brief article on history of Hans Dittes' Bf 109G-10, black 2. Includes color photo.

<U>Bald eine originale Me 262 am Himmel?</U> - Brief article about Paul Allen's purchase of the Planes of Fame Me 262A with the intent to restore it to flying condition. Included is a color photo of the Deutches Museum Me 262A.

<U>"Offizielle Vorstellung des ersten Nachbaus einer Focke-Wulf 190 A" am 19.12.2000 in Hannover.</U> - "Official presentation of the first reproduction of a Focke-Wulf 190 A" on 19.12.2000 in Hanover. Article with 5 color photos of Fw 190A yellow -+11 and 1 b&w newspaper article with photo. Link to Dietmar Sommer's homepage for further details.

<U>FW 190 A8/N von Flug Werk</U> - Brief article on Flug Werk's Fw 190. Includes 3 color photos. Link to Flug Werk's home page.

Tips

<U>Bilder vom Deutschen Museum und der Außenstelle Oberschleißheim finden Sie hier!</U> - Visitor information regarding the Deutches Museum and the outlier facility at Oberschleißheim. Color photos of the following museum aircraft:

Bf 109E-3 (<-+-) - 2 photos
Me 262 (WN 500071)
Dornier ATT of 1983 developed from the Do 24
CASA 2111 B (Spanish He 111)

<U>Bilder vom Luftwaffenmuseum Berlin/Gatow finden Sie hier!</U> - Visitor information regarding the Luftwaffenmuseum in Berlin/Gatow. Color photos include:

Me 109
Me 163 (WN 191904)

<U>Champlin Fighter Museum in Mesa, Arizona</U> - Brief article. Color photos include:

Fw 190D-12 (WN 836017?, -+-yellow 10) - 2 photos
Bf 109E-3

Airshow-Report

<U>Hahn in Motion , 24. und 25. Juni 2000</U> - Hahn, Germany

Fieseler Storch (EA+ML) - color photo

<U>EAA Fly-In Convention & Airshow 2000</U> - Lakeland, Florida

Bücker Bü 181D Bestmann (BA+TN) - 2 color photos

<U>ILA - Internationale Luftfahrtausstellung in Berlin 2000</U> - Germany

Arado Ar 79 - color photo
Ju 52 - color photo
Red Me 163 glider gliding to landing
Me 109K (FM+BB) and red Me 163 glider - color photo
Me 109K (FM+BB) coming into land - color photo
Me 109K (FM+BB) - color photo
Me 108 "Taifun" - color photo

History

<U>Messerschmitt Me 163B "Komet"</U> - A very brief article on the Me 163. Two color photos are included:

Me 163 (WN 191904) in the Luftwaffenmuseum Gatow
Red Me 163 glider gliding to landing at ILA 2000 in Berlin

<U>German Ejection Seats</U> - A very brief article on this topic.

<U>Female WW II Transfer Pilot</U> - A very brief article on Beate Uhse, a female transfer pilot in WW II who flew, among other aircraft, the Fw 190. A Fw 190 color profile is included.

Links - Interesting assortment of links.

Forum - Not particularly active, nor useful.

Regards,
Richard

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[Richard T Eger]

The Messerschmitt Me 109 website, by Andreas Goldmann, covers the history of Prof. Messerschmitt; the Me 109 history, variants, armament, engines, and aces who flew the Me 109; and Spanish volunteers. There is a nice photo gallery, including photos of preserved aircraft. Its connection here to the USA is that Me 109G-10 (black 2) has been sold to a US owner. The site address is:

http://www.adlertag.de/mainindex.htm

Sections of interest are:

The Constructor: Professor Willi Messerschmitt - Short history of Messerschmitt and his company through WW II and beyond.

The Development of the Me 109 - Short history.

The "Me 109" Versions - Brief technical data and photos of:

Bf 109 B "Berta"
Bf 109 C "Cäsar"
Bf 109 D "Dora"
Me 109 E "Emil"
Me 109 F "Friedrich"
Me 109 G "Gustav"
Me 109 H
Me 109 K
Me 109 T

The Engines of the "Me 109" - Brief descriptions of the engines and the variants they were used in:

Junkers Jumo 210
Daimler-Benz DB 600
Daimler-Benz DB 601
Daimler-Benz DB 605

The Armament of the Me 109 - Descriptions and photos of:

Guns and Cannons
Rockets
Bombs

"Me 109" Projects - Descriptions and histories. One plan of Me 309.

Bf 109 V-21
Me 109 X
Me 209
Me 309
Me 109 Z
Bf 109 TL
Me P. 1091

Assembly Sets for the Me 109 G and K - Description.

RI through RVIII
BR21
Adaption Set AS
"trop"

Gallery - Photos of different variants.

Bf 109B - 1 b&w
Bf 109C - 1 b&w
Bf 109C-1 - 1 b&w
Bf 109D-1 - 1 b&w
Me 109E - 5 b&w, 1 color
Me 109E-1 - 1 b&w
Me 109E-3/B - 1 b&w
Me 109E-4 - 2 b&w, 2 color (Deutches Museum, Munich)
Me 109E-7 - 2 b&w
Me 109F - 1 b&w
Me 109F-4 - 2 b&w
Me 109F-6 - 1 b&w
Me 109G - 2 b&w
Me 109G-2 - 7 color (Luftwaffenmuseum Berlin-Gatow) (with brief history)
Me 109G-6 - 4 b&w
Me 109G-6 (FM+BB) - 16 color (Messerschmitt Foundation)
Me 109G-6/R-6 - 1 b&w
Me 109G-10 - 1 b&w
Me 109G-10 (black 2) - 6 color
Me 109G-12 - 1 b&w
Me 109G-14 - 1 color
Me 109K-4

Unit Organisation of the Luftwaffe - Descriptions and aircraft markings.

Rotte
Schwarm
Staffel
Gruppe
Geschwader

Asse auf der Me 109 - In German, biographies with photos of the following aces:

Heinz Bär
Gerhard Barkhorn
Gyorgy Debrody
Georg-Peter Eder
Adolf Galland
Hermann Graf
Anton Hafner
Erich Hartmann
Dietrich Hrabak
Otto Kittel
Günther Lützow
Hans-Joachim Marseille
Werner Mölders
Joachim Müncheberg
Walter Nowotny
Günther Rall
Erich Rudorffer
Johannes Steinhoff
Hannes Trautloft
Helmut Wick
Johannes Wiese
Wolf-Dietrich Wilcke

Die Blauen Staffeln - History, photos, pilots, uniforms, & unit of Spanish airmen fighting for Germany (In German).

Die 5 Staffeln
Die Staffelembleme
Uniformen
Fotos
Gefallene Piloten
Perez Gonzales
Sanchez Arjona

Links - A handful of aircraft, unit, combat, and armor links.

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

The superb site Hikoki: 46, by Edwin M. Dyer, III, is subtitled Experimental Jet, Rocket, & Prop Aircraft of the I.J.N. & I.J.A.. It covers in great depth the exotic and advanced aircraft Japan sought to field in the waning weeks of the war. I have to admit I bias toward an interest in these aircraft. Some have roots in German designs, while others were purely of Japanese origin.

The introductory page to the site is:

http://www.pelzigplatz.f2s.com/main.html

However, it is best to go to the index page (which contains the same introductory remarks) to actually get access to the site, itself, either at:

http://www.pelzigplatz.f2s.com/

or:

http://www.pelzigplatz.f2s.com/index.html

Again, I'm going to be selective in commenting only on those non-piston engined aircraft of Japanese origin or any Luftwaffe aircraft that Ed has on his site. He has much more than this, for those that are interested. I have, at least listed them. With that caveat, the sections are:

Navy Aircraft

<U>Kawanishi Baika</U> - With heritage from the piloted German V-1, the Fi 103, an excellent history of both plus the mention of the Me 328 is given, along with photos and color profiles.

<U>Mitsubishi J8M Shusui</U> - Closely based on the Me 163, a cross history of the two aircraft are given along with photos. There are 5 color photos of the Shusui in the Planes of Fame museum in Chino, CA, and a link to 4 excellent color computer graphic renditions of the Shusui. A second Shusui was found in a cave in Japan and there is a link to an article about this with 6 color photos and a drawing.

<U>Mizuno Shinryu</U> - A rocket powered special attack glider. The functional purpose of the rockets seems in doubt. Ed has provided an interesting article on this enigmatic aircraft, whose mission seems similar to other powered, manned bombs. Color drawings and a 4-view plan are provided.

<U>Nakajima Kikka</U> - Having a similar configuration to the Me 262, this aircraft is only loosely related to it. Ed presents an interesting interweaving tale of the history of the two aircraft. Two color drawings, 9 b&w photos, 1 3-view drawing, and 1 table cross comparing with the Me 262. There are also 1 color photo of a Kikka and 2 of its Ne 20 engine at the NASM Garber Facility in Silver Hill, MD. A link to another related site is provided.

<U>Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka Model 22, Model 33, Model 43 series, and Model 53</U> - Article on a series of manned, powered bombs. Eight b&w photos; side view line drawings of Models 11, 22, & 43 K-1 KAI, 3-view line & color drawings of Model 22; 1 color profile of Model 43 K-1 KAI; and table of specifications of Models 22 & 43B. Link to related website.

Propeller driven aircraft covered are:

Kyushu J7W Shinden
Mitsubishi J4M1 Senden
Nakajima G10N1 Fugaku
Yokosuka R2Y Keiun

Army Aircraft

<U>Nakajima Ki-201 Karyu</U> - Very close approximation to the Me 262. Article with 1 color drawing, 1 b&w profile, 1 3-view line drawing, 1 fictionalized license-built Me 262 color profile, and table cross comparing Me 262, Kikka, and Ki-201.

<U>Rikugun Ki-202 Shusui-Kai</U> - Article on the Army's version of the Me 163. Three-view line drawing and table cross comparing the Me 163, J8M1, and Ki-202.

Propeller driven aircraft covered are:

Kawasaki Ki-64
Kawasaki Ki-78
Kawasaki Ki-91
Mansyu Ki-98
Mitsubishi Ki-67 Hiryu Variants ( Ki-67-I KAI, Ki-67 Sakura-dan, Ki-67 long range ground attacker, Ki-109 )
Mitsubishi Ki-73
Tachikawa Ki-94
Ki-115 Tsurugi
Rikugun Ki-93

Other Aircraft

<U>Junkers Ju488</U> - Article with isometric and 3-view line drawing. Japanese connection was that license was offered to the Japanese, but rejected.

<U>Focke-Wulf Ta 152</U>

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Drew Dorman
Refurbished Fw-190 on Wings or Discovery Channel?
Sat Mar 17 15:21:15 2001


I remember seeing on either the Discovery Channel or on the Wings channel about a Fw-190 that was refurbished, and when the aircraft was finished, they surprised the original pilot by bringing him in to view his aircraft. He was quite emotional about it, sitting in the cockpit after his walk around, remembering all the times he flew in it.

My question is: Who was the pilot? I don't remember who they said it was. Does any one know?

Thanks!

-Drew

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Richard
Refurbished FW 190
Sat Mar 17 19:16:39 2001


The Pilot was Uffz.Heinz Orlowski and the Plane was a FW 190 F 8. That plane is undergo total restoration to airworthy standard at Tom Reilly's Warbird Restoration Museum in Kissimmee/ Florida. For further info contact me via e-mail.
Regards, Richard

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Drew Dorman
Refurbished Fw-190...
Sun Mar 18 03:30:49 2001


Richard,

Thanks for all the info! I do appreciate it!

-Drew

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Willy
about this 109e
Wed Mar 21 07:37:55 2001


Hi
From the site "Falcons Messerschmitt Bf109 Hangar"
There has a pics about a 109e.
http://www.messerschmitt-bf109.de/htm-bf109e/bf109e1_31.htm

Who can tell me where it is now? the WNr?
Any detail and stories on it are welcome!

Thank you!!

Willy

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Mark Sheppard
Bf109
Wed Mar 21 07:57:21 2001


Willy

It is Bf109 E-1/E-7 W.Nr3579 which is now flying as White 14 of 1.(J)/LG2 in Califoria at Santa Monica.

1940-09-02 Bf 109E-1 3579 14 weifle 1./LG 2 Calais-Marck
Flugzeugfuhrer Fhr Marseille, Hans-Joachim
Bruchlandung. Bruch 50 %.

1941-12-07 Bf 109E-7 3579 I/JG 77 Bei Alakurtti
Notlandung. Bruch 20 %.

1942-08-02 Bf 109E-7 3579 4./JG 5 Pja-jarvi
Notlandung infolge Feindbeschufl. Bruch 30 %. (Not recovered and left at 100%)

Mark

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Willy
thank you BUT
Wed Mar 21 09:20:11 2001


Dear Mark

THANK FOR YOUR INFORMATIOM!
But the "Falcons Messerschmitt Bf109 Hangar" say it is a 109E4.

The site also show the plane's ID plate.
http://www.messerschmitt-bf109.de/htm-uebersicht/flugfaehige/bf109e4-weisse14.htm

I am comfused .
E4 or E7 ?


Willy

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Mark Sheppard
Bf109 3579
Wed Mar 21 14:05:22 2001


Willy

E-1 in late 1939-early 1940

E-4 upgrade in summer 1940

E-7 late summer till it was lost.


It was built as an E-1 and lost as an E-7 and there is a photo of Marseille with a Bf109 in the background thought to be the one he crash landed which had MGFF cannons in the wings - E-4 on this occasion.

MS

[Richard T Eger]

Of prime interest on The Picture Page webpage, by Rüdiger Jaensch, are photos from the Luftwaffenmuseum Berlin Gatow and the USAF Museum. Photos are provided of contemporary Berlin Gatow Airport, Airport Berlin Tempelhof, and DVL. Finally, an assortment of postcards is presented. The address for this page is:

http://frhewww.physik.uni-freiburg.de/~jaensch/104/index.html

Sections of interest are:

WWII Airplanes

The color photos presented were taken at the Luftwaffenmuseum Berlin Gatow '96. Rügiger provides a thumbnail photo index.

Bf 109 (yellow 4) - 2 photos
Me 163

BMW IV engine
BMW 801 radial engine
Crankshaft of DB 605 engine, after impact
Hirth 504 engine
Junkers Jumo 211 engine
Walther 109-509 rocket-engine

8.8 cm Anti-aircraft cannon
searchlight for anti-aircraft cannon

US Air Force Museum Dayton/Ohio

These color photos are preceded by 3 thumbnail photo indexes. Photos of interest are:

Fa 330 rotary wing kite - 1 photo
Fi 156 (5F+YK) - 3 photos
Fw 190D - 2 photos
Ju 88 (105) - 1 photo
Bf 109G-10 (WN 610824, black 4) - 8 photos
Me 163 - 1 photo
Me 262 - 1 photo
MK 108 - 2 photos
8.8 cm Flak gun - 1 photo

misc. Berlin aeronautic sites

<U>The Berlin Picture Page</U> - Berlin Gatow Airport contemporary color photos of the former (3) and Airport Berlin Tempelhof (2)

<U>The DVL Picture Page</U> - Six 1996 external color photos

Historic air-related postcards

Junkers G38 - 2 b&w photos
Junkers Ju 52 - 1 color photo
Lufthansa Express-Service advertisement - 1 color dwg.
Zeppelin and Dornier Do-X at Bodensee - 1 b&w photo
Zeppelin over Berlin - 1 b&w photo
Zepellin in its hangar - 1 b&w photo

Links - 7 links

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

The home page of The Air Museum "Planes of Fame" is:

http://www.planesoffame.org/

Planes of Fame is actually located at two locales: Chino Airport in California and the Grand Canyon at Valle Airport in Arizona.

Sections of interest on the site are:

Home Page - Introduction to the museum.

Message Board - Discussion board.

Fighter Rebuilders - Restorations - Nothing Luftwaffe at the moment, but interesting.

Location Highlights and Maps

Aircraft of interest at Chino are:

Mitsubishi J8M1 Shusui (Japanese Me 163)
He 162A-1 "Salamander"
Casa Ha-1112M - 1L (Spanish Bf 109)
Fi 103 (V-1) "Buzz Bomb"

The aircraft listed of interest at Valle is:

Bf 109G-10/U- 4 (FE-122/T2-122)

Movie Work - Mention of Me 262 use in film "Jet Pilot".

Planes of Fame, Valle, AZ

This gives a more complete listing of the aircraft at Valle. Of interest are:

Bf 109G-10 (yellow or orange 13)
Yokosuka MXY-7 Ohka 11

Short histories and a color photo are available for viewing.

Background Information - Historical background of museum.

Photos

He 162 (red 1) - Color photo. Also Walther 109-500 RATO engine for Ar 234.
He 162 (T-2-489) - B&w photo in flight.
Ha-1112 (Spanish Bf 109)(yellow 5) - Color photo in flight.

Links

<U>Museum Links</U> - Extensive list of links to museum websites.

<U>Aircraft Links</U> - Contains links to some Luftwaffe aircraft sites.

<U>Aviation Resources</U> - Links to some general sites of interest.

Regards,
Richard

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[Richard T Eger]

The Museum of Flying is located in Santa Monica, California. The museum owns a flightworthy Bf 109E-4. Information on the Bf 109 and a photo of the museum's aircraft can be found at the museum's website:

http://museumofflying.com

A short list of links to other museum sites is provided.

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

The website Fly-ins.com provides a search engine for upcoming airshows and a large selection of museum visitor information for air museums in the US, Canada, and Australia, including website addresses, if available. The website address for Fly-ins.com is:

http://www.fly-ins.com/flyins/index.po

Regards,
Richard

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[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

S.M. Fochuk
A very interesting webpage, to say the least!
Sat Mar 31 14:44:26 2001


I can't recall if this has been mentioned or even posted here before, but you might want to take a look at this webpage.

http://klad.hobby.ru/milarch.htm

It's not that hard to navigate and one of the pages, contains photos of a Fw.190 they found/recovered; it's pretty much all there. I am not sure if this is the one that is now in England?

Any coments?

Stephen


[This message has been edited by Richard T Eger (edited 26 April 2001).]

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Ivo Nienhaus
Interesting site indeed.
Sun Apr 1 17:49:16 2001


Was this Fw-190 just lying in the woods or did they dig it up? It seems in great shape. Imagine walking in the woods and stumbling on a Fw-190........pffff.

Rregards

Ivo

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

a. Babuin
Re: Interesting site indeed.
Mon Apr 2 11:00:47 2001


The things visible in this site are unbelievable!
There are enough tanks and guns and paraphernalia to fill a museum!
Would it be possible to have more photos of the Fw 190? It seems too good to be true.
The Il 2 is nice as well.
What about the frozen corpse of a hurricane pilot? Grim, to say the least.
Too bad that photo is not covered by anything else, while the Focke Wulf disappears almost immediately.

[Richard T Eger]

St. Petersburg's Treasure Hunter is the website of the St. Petersburg's Historical Exploration Society. The current Chairman of the Board is Valerij V. Balakhanov. Within the website is information on archives and archive investigation techniques to use in Russia. The website has essentially 3 addresses:

1. General in Russian language:

http://klad.hobby.ru/index.htm

2. General in English language:

http://klad.hobby.ru/english.htm

3. Military in Russian language:

http://klad.hobby.ru/milarch.htm

Even if you go into the Russian language areas, there is an English translator available for most of the pages. I'm having trouble with my computer in Internet Explorer and ran into repeated script errors when I attempted to use the translators on the individual pages. If I kept at it long enough, I had to reboot to make things function again.

You will note that the 1st option has 17 listings and the other two have 16 listings. Some are repeats, some are not, making this a very difficult site to summarize. The first option, http://klad.hobby.ru/index.htm, general in Russian language, has the following subjects:

1. About Us - Information about the St. Petersburg's Historical Exploration Society.
2. Site News - Site updates
3. Photogallery - just general photos about digging.
4. Finds - non-military items like coins.
5. About searching
6. Home page - clicking on this brings you to http://klad.hobby.ru/milarch.htm, military in Russian language. Here, you can click on an English language version, which brings you to http://klad.hobby.ru/english.htm, actually general in the English language.
7. Historical maps - these really are maps of olden times.
8. Information on metal artifacts, coin collecting, and metal restoration.
9. List of books on treasure hunting.
10. List of books in Russian on treasure hunting.
11. Site awards.
12. Links page.
13. Sell & buy page.
14. Discussion forum.
15. Guestbook - Letters about the site received from readers.
16. Form to e-mail the site, presumably to be posted under 15.
17. Online-Translator - If you can't get your computer to copy Russian text, you'll find this useless.

Okay, now on to option 2, the general version in English. This is listed as follows:

1. About Us - Same as above.
2. Site news - Same as above.
3. Questionaire - Apparently intended for foreigners to inquire about conducting searches.
4. Photogallery - Same as above.
5. Finds - Same as above.
6. Military Archeology - This takes you to the military in Russian language option (see below).
7. Historical maps - Same as above.
8. Books - English language books on treasure hunting.
9. Live Cam.
10. Our awards - Same as above.
11. Links - Same as above.
12. Auction - Same as above.
13. Forum - Same as above.
14. Guestbook - Same as above.
15. E-mail - Same as above.
16. Online-Translator - Same as above.

Some of the above pages are probably common with the military in Russian language option, that is, are in Russian with a local translation engine.

Okay, now on to the military in Russian language option:

http://klad.hobby.ru/milarch.htm

1. Clicking on this brings you to the general in Russian language option.
2. Site News - Same as above.
3. Coverage of exhumation and reburying of bodies. Eight color photos. Also, a section entitled "Search Information of St. Petersburg", which includes a list of key words and their meanings.
4. Three articles. One is of interest:

<U>Technique of work in Archi

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

A. Babuin
Complete Fw 190 in Russian wood
Mon Apr 2 11:33:03 2001


S.M. Fochuk, in his Saturday post, speaks of a very interesting (to say the least!) Russian site: http://klad.hobby.ru/milarch.htm
that amid many other mirabilia (and horribilia) shows some photos of an almost complete white painted Fw 190. As far as it can be seen, there is just some fabric missing from the ailerons and a few dents here and there, but the structure seems indeed sound, as if it belly landed just a few minutes before!
Does anybody know about this particular plane? This photos are too nice to be true, could they be a fake?

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Richard
Focke Wulf 190 in woods
Mon Apr 2 13:07:57 2001


In respond to the messages posted to the FW 190 . This plane
is a FW 190 A-5/U3 , Werk-Nr.1227. This plane was recovered in 1991 near Sank Petersburg/Russia and underwend restoration with Flying A Services in the UK. It belongs now to P.Allan in the US .

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Mark Sheppard
It's 1227
Tue Apr 3 07:49:04 2001


Hi all

Even I am disappointed.

It is Fw190 A-5 W.Nr1227 'White A' DG+HO of 4./JG54 lost on the 17th July 1943. I met Rupert Wilbraham a few years ago and he had about 200 photos of the recovery (it was he that brought it out). It is the same aircraft.

Even I was looking forward to seeing another Fw190 recovered.

Mark

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

John Beaman
Still a Mystery
Tue Apr 3 12:28:18 2001


OK, Mark:

If the photos are indeed 1227, then the plate shown in the photo is from another aircraft, as it is clearly not a WNr. ending with a "7". So, we still do not know what it is.

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Mark Sheppard
Fw190
Tue Apr 3 20:11:15 2001


John

not sure of the plate or part.

Both 1520 and 1220 were sister ships of 1227. 1520 was also coded White D and was literally next door to 1227. Possibly parts changed over. I know one of the MG17 ammo boxes had another painted W.Nr on it, something like 814 (records not to hand) so was from another aircraft in the unit.

All the other parts were marked up as 1227. The fin was missing and luckily they managed to locate the external plate by the access hatch which siad April 1943, Focke Wulf Bremem and W.Nr1227. The same number on a plate was on themain fin rib.

Mark

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

John Beaman
Thanks--makes sense (n/t)
Tue Apr 3 20:21:53 2001