Flak units

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

JamesP
Herman Goering Flak
Thu Jan 15 17:01:23 2026
207.225.207.211

Hi there. I've been researching a relatives service as a signaller in an army flak unit assigned to the 9th Panzer Division (102, then 287 Regt). In reviewing a book on the 9th Panzer I was surprised to see a picture and description of a Hermann Goering Flak unit moving with them in Russia. No unit number, just a pic of a towed 88. I've looked in the OOB and didn't see any reference to a Luftwaffe flak unit working with the 9th. Maybe they were passing through the lines.

Any ideas why they were there? Could they have been attached? I will try to provide more detail (I can probably come up with the general location).

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Ed West
Partial answer
Thu Jan 15 17:53:32 2026
64.7.187.83

It appears they were attached and were part of the Panzer-Division HG. The following may be useful. The relevant information appears near the bottom of the page.

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6931/regiment1e.html


Regards,
Ed

[Richard T Eger]

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TColvin
Flak.
Fri Jan 16 15:03:27 2026
209.90.134.11

I sense there is a misunderstanding here.
Each armoured division had some integral flak to protect itself;
The TOE of Heer armoured divisions was 74 units of 20-mm, and 8 DP 88-mm.
TOE of an SS armoured division was 114 units of 20-mm and 12 DP 88-mm.

All the rest of the Flak was under Luftwaffe command - unlike the case in all other armies - and was organized into LW Flak Corps and LW Flak Divisions. These were allocated to ground troops, and I am confident that the picture you have would have been of such a unit working with an armoured division.
Information on Flak formations can be found here: http://www.ww2.dk/ground/flak.html

[Richard T Eger]

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JamesP
Flak
Fri Jan 16 15:35:13 2026
207.225.207.211

Thank you all. I'm fairly confident that he was with the Army regiment that was integral to the 9th Panzer. I have photocopies of awards, all of which cite Heer awards (and he rec'd the Army flak badge). They also list the regiment that was part of the 9th according to the OOB.

I was just surprised to come across the HG unit in conjunction with the 9th - I guess I was under the impression that the one AA regiment was all they were allocated. Thanks again!

[Richard T Eger]

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Steve W.
Luftwaffen-Flakartillerie
Fri Jan 16 16:53:54 2026
205.188.208.167

Huge subject, but essentially a number of regiments of motorized Flak operated in direct support of the Heer on the various combat fronts during the war. They belong to Luftwaffe Flakdivisionen and Flakbrigaden, but the individual Regimenter and their organic Abteilungen were operationally attached to the Heer's AOKs and AKs. The Flak guns were employed offensively and defensively against enemy armor and strongpoints. The AOK or AK exercised tactical control over the target assignments and other day-to-day matters, but for all other purposes (administration, discipline, supply, replacements, etc.) they came under their respective Luftwaffe Flakbrigade or Flakdivision. At any given time during the 1941-45 period, this specialized sub-branch of the Luftwaffe's Flakwaffe probably did not sum to more 10% or so of all of the assets belonging to the Flakartillerie. While older personnel general manned the other 90%, the men assigned to the motorized Flak were in the 18 to 28 age range. The Hermann Göring Flak unit that you referred to was probably supporting the 9. Pz.Div. on that date or, as you suggested, moving through the division. Flak-Rgt. "General Göring" had four large Abteilungen (I. - IV.). At least two of these (I. and IV.) served in Russia in 1941.

Steve W.

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Karl-Peter
Trabas – the story so far.
Sun Nov 14, 2026 01:11
195.153.60.109


Here’s the information I have so far regarding the Flaktransportbatterien my grandfather served with:

Flak Traba 2./41 (Fpnr. L 21699) Aug. 1939 - March 1942
- Aug. 1939:- raised in Leipzig, LG IV
- Nov. 1939:- in Xanten under Oblt.Schlegel & Lt.Penke
- 15-11-39:- moves to Duisburg Wahnheim
- 20-11-39 to 18-01-40:- section to Deep on the Baltic
- 09-03-40 to 11-04-40:- section to Deep on the Baltic
- 14-05-40:- sub. to LGstab z.b.v. 16:- 2 columns to Mönchen-Gladbach under Lt.Beutler, 3 columns to Xanten under Oblt.Schlegel
- 15-05-40:- Beutler’s section quartered in St.Trond
- 17-05-40:- Beutler’s section quartered in Erkelenz
- 18-05-40:- Beutler’s section quartered in Marche
- 19-05-40:- Beutler’s section quartered near Beaumont
- 22-05-40:- Beutler’s section quartered in Cambrai-Avoingt
- 05-06-40:- Beutler’s section quartered in Solesmes
- 12-06-40:- Beutler’s section quartered in Douai
- 15-06-40:- Beutler’s section quartered near Amiens
- 23-06-40:- sub. to Lufthafenbereich Amiens
- 08-07-40:- Beutler’s section returns to Stammbatterie in Brussels
- July 1940:- quartered in Tervueren, Belgium
- Aug. 1940 to June 1941:- in Antwerp, quartered in Kasteel Terborght, Belgium
- Aug. 1940 to June 1941:- ???
- Feb. 1941:- Erprobungskommando in Vlissingen (Siebel ferries?)
- 06-06-41:- moves to Siedlce near Warsaw, Poland, under Oblt. Schlegel & Lt.Penke
- 29-06-41:- in Slusk
- 06-07-41:- in Bobruisk on the Beresina
- 09-07-41 to 09-08-41:- in Stary Bichow on the Dnepr
- 12-08-41 to end Aug.41:- in Ponjatowka near Roslawl
- 02-09-41 to 03-10-41:- in Schatalowka + Seshchinskaya
- 09-10-41:- in Paumowa
- 15-10-41 to 20-10-41:- in Juchnow
- 26-10-41 to 13-11-41:- in Malojaroslawez on the Protwa
- 13-11-41 to Spring 1942:- ???

Flak Trsp.Abt. 60 (Fpnr. L 35842) July 1941 - Dec. 1942
- 07-09-41:- one man MIA at Pochev
- Oct. 1941:- Stab in Smolensk
- Dinafü 12.Fl.Div. from March 1942
- Nov. 1941 to Dec.1942:- ???

Flak Traba 17/XI (Fpnr. L 05692) Jan. 1942 - Dec. 1942
- Jan. to Dec. 1942:- ???

Flak Traba 64/XII (Fpnr. L 22441) May 1942 - Dec. 1943
- 20-05-42:- leaves Kiev for Kharkov
- 22-07-42:- two men WIA near Dyogtevo
- Aug. 1942 to March 1943:- ???
- March to May 1943:- in Hindenburg OS, LG VIII
- June to Sept. 1943:- ???
- Dec. 1943:- Traba sent to Ghedi in Italy under St.Fl.Rgt.39

Flak Traba 91/VI (Fpnr. L 35762) Oct. 1942 - May 1945
- Oct. 1942 to Dec. 1943:- ???
- New Year’s Eve 1943/44:- in Rownoje (near Novo-ukrainka?)
- March 1944:- one man MIA at Perm/Ukraine
- April 1944:- in Focsani (Focsain), Rumania
- 16-05-44:- in Przebiecany near Cracow
- July, Aug. 1944:- in ‘G.’, 30km from Cracow
- 01-09-44:- under 10.Fl.Div
- Sept.1944:- in ‘L.’
- Oct. 1944:- in Grybow (S.E. of Cracow)?
- Feb. 1945:- in Steinberge (Kr. Breslau?)
- Feb. to April 1945:- six men MIA at Schönau, Troppau and elsewhere in Silesia
- April 1945:- in Ostsudetenland


If anyone is able to help with the question marks and fill the gaps I’d be very grateful.

Regarding Traba 91/VI, I once received information which confused me. I was told that Traba 91/VI reported ten men MIA at Stalingrad (Dec. 1942 to Jan. 1943), but I think the unit may have been confused with Traba 92/VI (L 18253), which I believe was under Dinafü 9.Fl.Div. between 1942-44 (and 9.Fl.Div. was destroyed at Stalingrad). Could Traba 91/VI have been in the North Caucasus and Crimea during this period, not Stalingrad?

Regarding other sources, Michael Holm lists Traba 92/VI thus:
07-02-43:- under 9.Fl.Div. in Crimea [I presume being rebuilt after Stalingrad?]
May to Aug. 1944:- under 9.Fl.Div. around Breslau
01-10-44:- under 9.Fl.Div. around Saarbrucken

H-A. Koch says Traba 92/VI was destroyed in 1944

Any clarification would be most welcome!


Many thanks,
Karl-Peter

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