NASM Garber Holdings - Bf 109 documentation

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

George Hopp
Bf 109 G-14 documentation
Sun Mar 3 01:24:03 2002
134.117.137.46

Undoubtedly this matter has been mentioned before. But, since I have known of this site for only a short time, I have been unaware of it.

Anyway, does anyone know of any documentation (ie. manuals, performance charts, etc.) on the G-14, in addition to those operating instructions for its MW system? It seems strange that what was to be the next major production version after the G-6 wouldn't even have a Part 0 manual to give a summary of its components.

Any comments would be appreciated.

Thanks
George

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Artie Bob
Bf 109 G-14
Sun Mar 3 16:17:27 2002
209.86.12.236

"Leistungen 109 G-14/U4 mit DB 605AM und ASM" Augsburg, July 44 (NASM captured German document microfilm R3984-F110). Sorry George, I don't have that reel here at home,and to make it worse, my rference sheet is alittle fuzzy so the 3rd digit of the reel no. might be wrong. I think you could contact Garber and they could confirm the refrerence and send you a copy. It is only two pages with calculated values of speed, ceiling, etc.
I would like to suggest a slightly different possibility on the G-14 documentation. Neither the G-10 nor G-14 are shown in plan 225 ( in effect in early 44), but K-2 and K-4 production were scheduled to begin in March. This of course did not happen until late in the year(first K-4s in October). It may be that both the G-10 and G-14 might be considered as "interim" models, as the production introduction of these two types is only two months apart. Of course, the planning for a/c production was radically modified when the "fighter staff" took charge in the summer of 44. I can only wonder if the nearly instantaneous shift from full production of G-6 to G-14 types was more a "paper" modification for admininistrative purposes. If the G-14 was really just a G-6 with all the latest mods, then in reality, new manuals would only be needed for the
newest features, i.e., the MW-Anlagen. The data comes from the GLC production plan documents (RG 242 USNA), the speculation is purely mine.

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Magnus
Daimler Benz in a Spitfire,why?
Mon Mar 3 17:38:22 2003
213.101.49.127

Hi!
I have seen a picture of a Spitfire that was captured by the Germans and given a DB engine.
What was the purpose of this,for fun(!) or plans of own production or.....

Regards/Magnus

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

George Hopp
DB 605 in Spitfire
Mon Mar 3 19:24:21 2003
216.191.233.212

To check the functioning of a DB 605 in a Spitfire. From this it was found that the oil cooler in the 109 was more efficient, but that the coolant radiators in the Spitfire were more efficient.

Here is what is on my file card on the appropriate report:

"Comparative test runs on the Me 109 G (fighter plane) and the British Spitfire V, both planes equipped with the DB 605 A engine. Tests showed: lubrication system to be better in the German model, cooling system to be better in the British model, speeds of the two planes to be approximately the same; the British model had higher ceiling and rate of climb. Graphs show oil and water cooler efficiency, full power climbing in steps, rate of climb, and climbing speeds."

The report was issued by Werkflugversuch Echterdingen in May 1944, and is available on NASM microfilm reel 4064, starting at Frame 485. And, if anyone ever gets a printout of this report, could I get a copy? Thanks.