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Richard T Eger
07-31-2004, 01:31 PM
From within a thread on 12 O'Clock High!:

steve sheridan
Ju 87 J9+HL can anybody id this Stuka?
Tue Jul 20, 2004 21:39
80.41.26.254

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6109117853

Richard T Eger
07-31-2004, 01:32 PM
From TOCH!:

G.R.Morrison
WNr.2117 of 9./St.G. 1...
Wed Jul 21, 2004 01:58
4.233.170.94

Uffz. Hans Heinz & Gefr. Leonhard Bothe, shot down 31.March 1942 by Flak, 20 km E of Lubin on the Leningrad (St.Petersburg) - Moscow rail line. Pilot (age 22) buried in Moldy, Bordfunker Bothe evacuated to Germany by rail.

This is a rather-early Ju 87D-1.

The III Gruppe of "Stuka Eins" retained their First Gruppe (ex-I/Tr.Gr.186) Staffel-designator letters when they were incorporated into St.G. 1

This ebay photo is similar to another of the same wreck that was recently sold.

HTH, GRM

Richard T Eger
07-31-2004, 01:32 PM
From TOCH!:

Kari Lumppio
St.G. 1 /SG 1 non-standard Staffel letters
Wed Jul 21, 2004 13:45
130.233.83.21

Hello GRM and all!

Mr Morrison your note of St.G. 1 Staffel letters* is highly interesting. Could this be the reason why the I Gruppe St.G./SG 1 used the non-standard Staffel letters? Like A5+AJ (photo), A5+GG (Stab/I Gruppe?? code from air observation logs) etc.

I/Tr.Gr. 186 was incorporated as III/St.G. 1 already in 1940 (yes?) so the non-standard Staffel letter practice went on practically during the whole war!

Can anyone else bring more light to this matter?


With Best Regards,
Kari Lumppio



*"The III Gruppe of "Stuka Eins" retained their First Gruppe (ex-I/Tr.Gr.186) Staffel-designator letters when they were incorporated into St.G. 1"

Richard T Eger
07-31-2004, 01:33 PM
From TOCH!:

LwFlieger
StG 1 codes
Sat Jul 24, 2004 06:13
205.188.116.7

Yes the codes for some units are extremely confusing. however as a result of drafting mini-unit histories for all the ground attack units Ihave sorted out all of them along with the nuances of periods of use:
Stab/StG1: (A5+_A)
I./StG 1(first formation):(A5+_B, H, K, L) ) - [May 39 to Jan 42]
I./StG 1(second formation): (A5+_B, H, K, L) ) - [Jun 43 to Oct 43]
II./StG1 : (6G+_D, R, S, T) 1 - [Jul 40 to Oct 43]
III.StG 1: : (J9+_B, H, K, L) 1 - [Jul 40 to Oct 43]
IV.(Erg.)/StG 1Codes: (A5+_U, V?) 1 - [Dec 40 to May 43]
does this explain all?