Museums with Luftwaffe aircraft - 7

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Armand
Focke Wulf Fw190D-13/R-11 pictures
Tue Apr 9 00:07:11 2002
64.214.177.54

To view the latest pictures on the resztoration of the D-13/R-11 in the USA go to

http://pub73.ezboard.com/fluftwaffeexperten71774frm7

At the top is the link to the latest photos,
At the bottom is the link to the archive photos
from earlier.

Armand

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Richardm
hartmann's K-4 W.Nr610937
Sun May 26 02:51:15 2002
210.50.58.72

trying to find definitive information on hartmann's 109 K4
The last aircrft he flew in combat. The Sundin, Bergstroem
Fighter profilers book show one, but Aeromaster and other sources show others. There is meant to be a photo.
can Anyone help me. Yellow rudder? colours etc
Thanks Richard

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Lynn Ritger
610937 is NOT Hartmann's bird...
Sun May 26 15:48:58 2002
63.188.177.76

His conjectural colors were used in refinishing G-10 W.Nr. 610937 which is now on display at the Michael King Smith center in McMinnville, OR (IIRC). The latest Hartmann wartime photo I know of shows him next to his G-10 with the refined cowlings (with the "squared-off" fairings versus the pop-rivetted style), and I've not seen any definitive identification of any Hartmann-associated W.Nr. after his G-6 "weiße 1", W.Nr. 166xxx (sorry, forgot the last three).

I realise this is of minimal help, but at least you know now which bird ISN'T his...

Lynn

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From TOCH!:

Beelaert Geert
Uffz. Bruno Hartmann
Sun May 26 20:57:40 2002
217.136.92.176

I have a book "Messerschmitt Bf109K, camouflage and markings" published by JaPo. in that book is a list of all Bf109K planes, between those is the name of Hartmann. The WrkNr. is not listed but his plane was lost on 23/03/45 the cause was an accidend. He flew for 14./JG53 "Third Gruppe".
The camoulage of these planes is widely differing in the means of colours altough the scheme almost stays the same.

Regards, Geert

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Ferdinando D'Amico
And also...
Sun May 26 23:35:55 2002
151.27.9.98

...I'd like to add that such photo shows only a tiny part of the aircraft from behind the supercharger's air intake up to half cockpit. The only visible markings are a white outlined (red?) heart below the cockpit and the tip of a probable "double chevron" ("white outline" only or filled with a color, not black).

Last but not least, apart from the fact that the W.Nr.610937 isn't a K-4, but a G-10 built by WNF, I seriously doubt that such serial had anything to do with the plane in the photograph.

AFAIK, the G-10s showing the rectangular plate in the left side (and having no chin bulges, replaced by a new refined lower cowl, BTW) were built by Erla only and they did belong to the 490000-491000 series. So there is little room for other conjectures.

As a matter of fact, from that photo only, I guess it is rather optimistic to extrapolate something more than a very generic Erla-built Bf 109 G-10...

IMHO, of course.

All the best

Ferdinando D'Amico

[Richard T Eger]

The Luftwaffe Gallery website main features are its numerous color photos and profiles of Luftwaffe aircraft. The site actually consists of 2 sites, an older site and an updated site. The older site address is:

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Barracks/9686/luftwaffegallery.html

Sections on the older site are:

Galleries - Color photos, except as noted. No captions. Quantities of photos are listed as - 2, - 3, etc.

<U>Gallery 1</U>

Me 262, V 056 - 1
Me 262, WN 170303 - 1
Bf 109 - 8
MG 151/20 - 1 b&w dwg.
MG 213 - 1 b&w dwg.
MK 103 - 1 b&w dwg.
MK 112 - 1 b&w dwg.
Me 262, WN 170045 - 1 color isometric dwg.
Me 262, V 555 - 1 color isometric dwg.
Me 262, WN 170078 - 1 color profile
Me 262, V 083 - 1 color profile

<U>Gallery 2</U>

Me 262, V 056 - 3
Me 262, V 167 - 2
Bf 109G-2/Trop, WN 10639, black 6, RAFM Hendon - 4
possible Bf 109G-10, WN 151591, Messerschmitt Foundation - 3
Bf 109 - 3

<U>Gallery 3</U>

Bf 109G-2/Trop, WN 10639, Black 6, RAFM Hendon - 4 or 5
possible Bf 109G-10, WN 151591, Messerschmitt Foundation - 3
Bf 109 - 6 or 7

<U>Gallery 4</U>

Bf 109 engine - 1
Bf 110G-4/R-6, WN 730301, D5+RL, RAFM Hendon - 4
DB 605 engine, RAFM Hendon -1
Fw 190F-8/U1 (S-8), WN 584219, Black 38, RAFM Hendon - 3
Fw 190A-8/R6, WN 733682, IWM, London - 1
He 111H-20, WN 701152, NT+5L, RAF Hendon - 1
Ju 87G-2, WN 494083, "RI+JK", RAF Hendon - 1
Fi 103F-1, WN 477663, IWM, London - 1
Bf 110 rudder - 1

<U>Gallery 5</U>

Bf 110 - 5
Bf 109 - 2
Fw 190 - 1
Ta 152H-0, WN 150003, FE-112, postwar photo, now at NASM Garber - 1
Me 163B-1a, WN 191904, Luftwaffe Museum, Gatow - 1
Me 163B-1a, WN 191907, AWM - 1
Me 163B-1a, WN 191916, Yellow 26, National Aviation Museum, Canada - 1
Me 163B-1a - 1

Color Plates - Color profiles, except as noted

<U>Plates 1</U>

Bf 109 - 18

<U>Plates 2</U>

Bf 109 - 18

<U>Plates 3</U>

Fw 190 - 18

<U>Plates 4</U>

Fw 190 - 18

<U>Plates 5</U>

Fw 190 - 18

<U>Plates 6</U>

Fw 190 - 18

<U>Plates 7</U>

Ju 87 - 22

<U>Plates 8</U>

Bf 109 - 18

<U>Plates 9</U>

Bf 109 - 11
Bf 110 - 10

<U>Plates 10</U>

Bf 110 - 8
BF 109 - 1
Fw 190 - 1
Me 262 - 1
He 219 - 1
Ju 88 - 5

<U>Plates 11</U>

Me 262 - 15

<U>Plates 12</U>

Me 262 - 11
Ar 234 - 1
Me 163 - 3
He 162 - 2

<U>Plates 13</U>

Bf 110 - 4
Ar 234 - 1
Fw 190 - 1
Do 215 - 4
Ju 88 - 3
He 219 - 5

<U>Plates 14</U>

Bf 110 - 21

<U>Plates 15</U>

Bf 110 - 19 + 2 isometric drawings

<U>Plates 16</U>

Ju 87 - 16

<U>Plates 17</U>

Ju 87 - 17

Luftwaffe Aces

Table listing aces with 100 or more victories, gving name, rank, unit, confirmed victories, number of 4-engined bombers destroyed, and highest award. Photo and a brief biography are given for each ace.

Luftwaffe Rank Insignia - Aircraft markings for different staff positions within a Gruppe.

Luftwaffe Codes - Text and tables explaining and identifying the 4-digit aircraft code.

Links - Links to 7 Luftwaffe related sites.


The site has an updated second site, which can be accessed by clicking on the sentence:

"For more photos check the new site:http://luftgallery.wronger.com/"

This is on the home page of the older site. The sections are:

Galleries - Here, the photos are captioned - a significant improvement. Many of the photos are repeats from the older site. Included here are both color and b&w photos.

</U>Gallery 1</U>

Bf 109 - 5 color, 1 color profile
Fw 190 - 1 color, 1 b&w
Downed Spitfire inspected by Hans-Joachim Jabs - 1 b&w
Heinmz Schnaufer & crew - 1 b&w

<U>Gallery 2</U>

Bf 109 - 2 color, 1 color profile
Me 163 - 1 color
Ju 88 - 1 color
Bf 110 - 3 color
Me 262, WN 500491, NASM - 1 color
Ju 87, WN 2883 - 1 color (recent photo)
Fw 190 - 3 color, 1

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Sergio Luis dos Santos
Ju-88 on Dayton, Ohio.
Thu Jun 20 13:16:28 2002
200.244.150.4

I have been unsuccesful in contacting the USAF Museum, their link does not work. Has it changed or is out? Also looking for some color photos of the restored Rumanian Ju-88 to enclose in an article. Does someone know if USAF has an on line service for war time photos? Must try to find new ones from this plane and another one which landed here in Brasil in 1943. Any hint very welcomed. Thanks in advance.

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Graham Boak
Same aircraft?
Thu Jun 20 13:30:53 2002
20.138.254.2

I understood that the Romanian defector Ju.88 was ferried back to the USA across the South Atlantic to Brazil, but I don't recall the date - do you have information about this other possibility?

[Richard T Eger]

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Sergio Luis dos Santos
You can see both here in my on line article
Thu Jun 20 14:09:27 2002
200.244.150.4

http://www.mach2.hpg.ig.com.br/Mach288BRSergio.htm

It´s in Portuguese of course. I still could not contact USAF Museum but few minutes ago found the Friends Journal page and sent a request for help. Hope to get some reply soon.

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Artie Bob
Ju 88s to Brazil
Fri Jun 21 01:18:41 2002
209.86.15.21

Yes, there were two Ju 88s that flew the Atlantic, not too far apart in time. The second was a bomber version, IIRC found on an abandoned airfield in Italy (i.e., "the junkyard Ju 88"). My library is literally buried right now, but the second flight was covered pretty well in an JAAHS article within the last 3 or 4 years including photos which show the StKz and cross checks against the W.nr. I have several letters relating to both a/c from the Sara Clark collection, indicating the first 88 was flown quite a bit, including a trip to California, where it's return was delayed by an auto/aircraft collision. The second apparently turned into a hangar queen, (perhaps a ramp tramp).

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Mikael Olrog
USAFM Ju 88
Thu Jun 20 17:15:21 2002
213.89.103.197

I've got some photos of the USAFM JU 88 in Rumanian colours which I can scan for you.

/Mikael

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From TOCH!:

Sergio Luis dos Santos
Re: USAFM Ju 88
Thu Jun 20 20:46:48 2002
200.244.150.4

Hello Mikael,

It would be great! I´ll contact latter about some news on the Fw-56!

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Ivan Vassallo
JU 87 Stuka Dive Bomber
Sat Jun 29 16:50:45 2002
195.158.99.240

We are organizing a full blown reunion for the veterans of Operation Pedestal, a Convoy operation to relieve Malta in August 1942. We have over 70 Octagenarian Veterans attending and they will be treated to a re enactment of the entrance of the SS Ohio into Valletta Harbour complete with Royal Navy Escorts and a real flyinf spitfire overhead. There are also two Luftwaffe veterans attending. They were involved in the bombing of this convoy on it's way to Malta. We are looking for someone who has a serviceable JU 87 Stuka and is willing to join in the event.
Please contact us at ivassallo@technoline-mt.com or call Ivan Vassallo on 00356 99 42 4122.

Thanks

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Radiomonitor
Stukas against Malta
Sat Jun 29 17:56:22 2002
80.33.178.189

02.06.29-1653z-The main attacking forces, based in Sicily, were stukas Ju88s - tween engine dive bombers+

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Ivan Vassallo
Stukas over Malta
Mon Jul 1 07:10:13 2002
195.158.106.137

Hi and Thanks,

I am aware of this. We are looking for a JU 87 to simulate dive bombing attacks on a convoy while still out at sea. We have one of the pilots involved in 1942 coming to Malta.

Ivan

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From TOCH!:

LwFlieger
Stuka
Fri Jul 5 05:56:03 2002
205.188.196.26

In 1997 I was an airshow at the Elmira-Corning airport in western New York state and I was amazed to see a 3/4 scale Ju 87B !! I was even more amazed to see that it had been built by a local fellow. His name was on the plane so later I phoned him. He said that he built the plane because someone bet him that he couldn't make one! Yes, it does fly. At one point I photographed it flying along, being pursued by a number of replica Japanese planes and some Russian made light planes!

Unfortunately I can't remember his name but I expect that he is known to the staff at the National Warplane Museum also located at Elmira-Corning. They have a website but I have lost the address! Sorry!

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

James L. Turner
HE 162 details
Thu Jul 18 21:07:27 2002
64.12.96.237

Gentlemen,
I am researching the HE162. Does anyone know of a breakdown showing which components were made from wood and which of metal? I know the wings were and some of the nose cones but what about such parts as the landing gear doors and the tail control surfaces?
Thank you
J. Turner

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

R. P. von Lutz
He 162
Sun Jul 21 05:33:40 2002
66.214.112.2

The He 162 at the Chino Planes of Fame Museum has wooden nose cone, gunbay doors, landing gear doors, wing (except tips), and one engine to fuselage fairing (the other is metal), and control surfaces. The rest was aluminum.

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

LwFlieger
He 162 parts
Mon Jul 29 02:57:38 2002
152.163.197.52

In 1973 I had the opportunity to examine one of the He 162s possessed by Canada's aviation museum at Rockliffe near Ottawa. The fuselage is generally conventional aluminum monocoque construction but supposedly the upper part of the rear fuselage is steel in order to better resist ther effect of heat from the jet efflux. The interior has virtually no corrosion protection, just some brush-on sealant at the joints and rivets. The wings and tail are made of wood with metal reinforcements here and there. The nose cap is molded wood paste. The landing gear doors are made of heat formed plywood approx. 6 mm thick. This is backed up by blocks and framing glued (and nailed?) to the plywood. Hinges appear to be nothing more than ordinary domestic door hinges! The canopy appears to have been blown in one piece and then trimmed and cut into two parts. Canopy frames are actually laminated or steam formed wood fitted up against the inside of the canopy. A number of screws through the plexiglas into the wood secures it. Main landing gear is directly from the Bf 109G.

This plane must have been terrifying to fly!

At that time I had taken a number of close-up pics of this plane and I even filched a flake of underside paint! As fate would have it, a friend of mine worked at the National War Museum and one day we had a ride home by the fellow who had painted that plane! I was amazed and agog when he told us that he had used the old He 162 "Profile" publication as his source and mixed the paint accordingly!!! He was just like a casual model-maker but painting in one-to-one scale. As a result I had a good belly laugh when an ostensibly authoritative author on camouflage cited this plane as having an authentic paint job!

By the way, that same museum had (in August 1973) a second He 162 and a second Me 163 in a disassembled state. I have seen them with my own eye-balls!

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

James L.Turner
HE 162
Fri Aug 2 12:54:56 2002
152.163.189.234

To friends,
Thanks for the responses. It has filled in the gaps in my research. Best of luck.
Jim T.

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

mike marecki
he100
Thu Jul 18 23:39:55 2002
172.158.161.189

please help,
I have been told that there is a mock up of a he100 in a museun possibly in ca. I have been unable to find any record of this and am looking for pictures of the plane or possibly some originals that are not yet published yet, ANY help will be greatly appreciated!
thanks,
mike

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From TOCH!:

Mikael Olrog
Yes, it is at the Planes of Fame, Chino, CA (n/t)
Fri Jul 19 19:55:29 2002
213.89.103.197

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From TOCH!:

Tom Fischer
He 100 Replica
Fri Jul 19 22:27:07 2002
217.162.129.212

Mike

I don't know if you have access to a German magazine called Flugzeug Classic. If you do, issue 4/2001 featured a one-page article on this replica, and it included a few color photos.

Regards,

Tom