A.I.2(g) Reports

[Richard T Eger]

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Rabe Anton
Re: German Aviation Fuels
Sun Jun 4 01:46:26 2000


Ruy,

You can find all important information about German aviation fuels that you desire in AFHRA 512.651M, Sept. 1943-May 1945, British Air Ministry, British Air Ministry
Air Technical Reports, A.I.2(g) Report No. 1744, "Fuels and Oils for Aero Engines," dated 1 March 1944. A.I.2(g) date 16 Feb. 1945. This is a British translation of a
3-page document from the Director General of Technical Services, German Air Ministry, Ref.: IO9b, Nr. 1, Serial no. 209/44.
The document describes all fuels and lubricants to be used in each aero engine in Luftwaffe service. QED.

RA

[Richard T Eger]

A.I.2(g) was the section set up within the British Director of Intelligence Air Intelligence A.I.2 department that dealt with aircraft and aeronautical equipment. The following information about A.I.2(g) comes from a U.S. AAF Intelligence Service report dated 25 March 1943 entitled "Crash Report No. 3 Crashed Enemy Aircraft MC 202 Series 7". Pages in this report have the identifying code "AD-149". The following provides an excellent summary of what A.I.2(g) was all about:

"PART III

<U>A. I. 2(g)</U>

Explanation of Technical Intelligence Set-Up in British Air Ministry.

1. For operation in the British Isles, the British Air Ministry has established a Technical Intelligence Section known as A.I.2(g). It consists of Hdqs. and technical staff and in addition, a number of officers known as "Crash Officers". One or more of these Crash officers is responsible for a given area or section of the British Isles. Immediately upon notification that an enemy airplane has crashed or that an enemy mine, bomb or torpedo, in whole or in part is available within his area, he immediately proceeds to that point. At that time, he makes and renders the applicable site report on Pro Forma, Form "C" or "D". The crashed or captured enemy material is closely guarded until his arrival, in order to prevent the removal of name plates and other souvenirs which often provide information of great value.

2. Arrangements are made with other agencies at time of visit of Crash Officer as to final disposal of material. In the recent case of the Fulk-Wulfe (sic) 190, which forced landed in England, the Crash Officer on the spot immediately informed both the Royal Aircraft Establishment and the Ministry of Aircraft Production and before departure of Crash Officers, decision had been reached as to whether or not the airplane was to be flown on technical trials prior to being taken apart for detailed technical inspection.

3. The British consider it important to ascertain the cause of the crash and to give a clear picture of the effects of machine-gun and cannon fire on the airplane and to make if possible on the spot an assessment from the technical point of view of the vulnerability of the different parts of the aircraft. This information is a vital part of Pro Forma report.

4. In addition to the Crash officer, a P/W interrogator is present whenever possible at the crash inspection, in order to take advantage of immediate questioning of captured personnel along technical lines as advised by the Crash Officer.

5. Every effort consistent with other demands is made to obtain and further educate the best possibly qualified men as Crash Officers and to furnish them every facility as regards their personal movement and authority in order to insure immediate inspection of crashed or captured equipment."

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Allan Hillman
Celle - either Luftwaffe or RAF 1945
Sat Feb 17 12:33:07 2001


Can anybody out there supply me with any pictures or maps of Celle - anytime during the war for the Luftwaffe or April 1945 for the RAF when it was B118 for a family
project. My father being a member of 125 Wing advance party.
many thanks

[Richard T Eger]

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Artie Bob
Celle
Sun Feb 18 23:37:33 2001


There is at least one and possibly two AI2(g) reports on the aircraft found at Celle (other locations were covered in the same document)by the RAF intelligence team. There
were also 2 pages of photographs post capitulation in Aeroplane several years ago. I have just moved and can't get to my files, but possibly this is enough direction to help
some.

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Huib Ottens
Looking for info regarding RAF Repair and Salvage units.
Mon Mar 5 14:53:09 2001

I am looking for information regarding RAF Repair and Salvage units.
I am especially looking for info regarding the units that were involved in bringing captured German airframes to the UK during the final stages of WW II and after the end of
the hostilities in Europe.

I know for instance (from "War Prizes" by Phil Butler page 55) that No. 417 Repair and Salvage unit transported the Ar 234 B-2 (Wnr. 140596) that landed on Eelde airport
on the 3rd of October 1945 to Farnborough (For the “full” story please checkout the winning entry for the Classic Publications Luftwaffe Writers Competition 2000 at: WWW.classic-books.co.uk (http://WWW.classic-books.co.uk)).

I hope these units (or other special units carrying out the same tasks) kept files of their activities and I wonder if these files were saved after the war. If so where are they
located (PRO?) and how to access them?

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Jaap Woortman
RSU's.
Mon Mar 5 18:48:56 2001


Dear Huub,

You can find these units ORB's at the PRO in Kew, London.
Air 29/800 and higher. Try their online cataloque at www.pro.gov.uk (http://www.pro.gov.uk)
But I think normaly these investigation were done by A.I.2.(g)(Air Intelligence) and not by RSU's.
I think Eelde was an exception. A.I has already visited Eelde far before that date.

Jaap

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Huib Ottens
Thanks Jaap, Learning all the time! (n/t)
Mon Mar 5 22:35:26 2001

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gianmaria
Looking for info??
Tue Mar 6 22:58:31 2001


You may take a look at www.british-forces.com (http://www.british-forces.com) and see what comes up.
Regards,
G.

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Christian Möller
Allied inspection-reports of enemy airfields in Germany 1945
Wed Mar 7 08:45:50 2001


Hello,

I´m searching for Allied inspection-reports of enemy airfields in Germany 1945, esp. the Celle-airfields.
I need information on captured Ju 87, as I´m going to write a book about the German Nachtschlachtgruppen.

Any information welcome, will give full credit in my book.

Thank you very much in advance.

Greetings,

Christian Möller
Germany

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Jaap Woortman
Celle airfield.
Wed Mar 7 18:43:30 2001


According to A.I.2.(g) Report serial No.269 dated 12th May, 1945 the following Ju87 have been found at Celle airfield:
Ju87D-3 Trop., W.N.31115. Good condition.
Ju87D-3 Trop., W.N.31489, 16+(white). Destroyed.
Ju87D-5, W.N.140452LS, V8+B Has carried 20mm. guns in wing.
Ju87D-1, W.N.2487, Good condition but looted.
Ju87D-3, W.N.110529. Badly damaged.
This are the Ju87's at Celle.
I am interested in your publication about NSG, specially in their operations at the Western front in 1944.

Jaap

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Dénes Bernád
Abandoned He 177 in a hangar
Tue Apr 3 01:24:08 2001


I have a pair of photos, taken by a US soldier, that show a light painted derelict Heinkel He 177 parked in a heavily damaged hangar. Unfortunately, the prints are a bit blurry, therefore the Werknummer on the fin root is only a guess: 309230. On the fuselage, the last two letters of the Verbandskennzeichen are barely seen: WL.
Does anyone have details on this bird? Maybe there is an Allied capture record documenting the capture.

Dénes

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Jaap Woortman
Re: Abandoned He 177 in a hangar
Tue Apr 3 19:33:47 2001


Dear Dénes,

This must be your lucky day. In Report No.257 dated 25th October 1944 from A.I.2.(g) I have found at page 4: He 177 at Chateaudun. Markings: Wk.No.332230 6N+WL. Engine: 2xDB610. Remarks: Stripped and damaged. Does it fit?

Jaap

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Dénes Bernád
Bull's eye, Jaap!
Wed Apr 4 00:19:56 2001


Indeed, it appears that your description matches exactly my photo (however, I would still bet that - on the somewhat fuzzy print - the second numeral looks like a '0').
The given Werknummer also matches the known sequence used by He 177s. Accordingly, we are dealing with a He 177A-3.

Dénes

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Phil
Me Bf-109 G-10/R-6 WNr-151917
Wed Jan 30 22:56:46 2002
217.136.0.82

I am looking for information on a Me Bf-109 G-10/R-6 WNr-151917 Engine DB-605 D3-1 N° 011103004 Probably ./JG 300 (Blue /White / Blue Strips ) 14+ seems to be manufactured in March 1945 and was loss W of Maaseik (Belgium) Date ?? Pilot ??

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John Beaman
Re: Me Bf-109 G-10/R-6 WNr-151917
Thu Jan 31 12:14:39 2002
216.136.45.130

Sounds like this is a wreck recovery? Can you supply the complete data off the manufacturer's plate?

[Richard T Eger]

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Phil
documents
Thu Jan 31 12:48:33 2002
217.136.14.116

Sorry it’s all I have concerning this aircraft .
The information was supplied by an American or British report A.I.2(g) N°269

[Richard T Eger]

A.I.2(g) issued at least 3 series of reports:

Aircraft & Aircraft Engines - This was the most voluminous of the A.I.2(g) report series.

Aircraft Armament

Crashed Enemy Aircraft

A reference is made in the topic "ADI(K) reports - 2" in the "Documents Types" forum of a Crashed Enemy Aircraft report Serial No. 210 dated 2nd November, 1943, which I presume is part of the A.I.2(g) Crashed Enemy Aircraft report series.

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

See the topic "Books on Fw 190 & Ta 152 - 5" in the "References and Reference Materials" forum for discussion of Crashed Enemy Aircraft Report No. 255 and Crashed Enemy Aircraft reports, in general.

Regards,
Richard

[Richard T Eger]

From within a thread on 12 O'Clock High!:

Rabe Anton
The Elusive B N + S I
Mon Jul 28 18:08:11 2003
198.26.120.13

Hallo Tom and Andrew!

For what it's worth, the Fw 190 SKZ B N + S I comes from an
A.I.2(g) List of Crashed and Captured Axis A/C in North Africa. Regretably, the entry is minimal, to say the least.
None of this to contradict you, Tom. Very possibly the airplane was so smashed that the Werknummer could not be recovered——which condition could also have contributed to an
error in the SKZ. Not uncommon in the biz. But, often
one can sort of puzzle out what the correct SKZ must have been.

In short, what do you guys (especially Tom) think about this unicorn?

RA