Luftwaffe victory claims - 3

[Richard T Eger]

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Larry Hickey
Zerstroyer Victories
Mon Feb 11 23:18:34 2026
12.253.95.180

With Prien et. al.'s new book series publishing detailed victory lists for all single-engine day figther units and Tony Wood doing some of the same things on the internet, does anyone know of any effort being made to publish the Zerstroyer victory claims for the period 1939-40? John Vasco had some of this material in his excellent book Zerstroyer, but only bits and pieces. Any comprehensive victory listing planned for the Bf-110 during 39-40 that anyone knows about?

Larry Hickey

[Richard T Eger]

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Franek Grabowski
Zerstroyer Victories
Tue Feb 12 12:10:22 2026
217.98.20.195

German researcher Marius Emmerling is working on a history of Lw operations in Poland. He has already published some articles on the subject. AFAIK there were some problems with ZG1 claims as the relative of airman who kept the records was not willing to cooperate. Jerzy Cynk's book covering Polish fighter arm in 1939 does only list numbers by crews with no specific details.
Franek

[Richard T Eger]

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George Mellinger
What's the source
Wed Feb 13 01:29:36 2026
63.17.231.113

your information about Prien's new book (books?) sounds pretty thrilling to me. But I've been somewhat out of the Luftwaffe loop. Could you be so kind as to give me some titles, sources? For Prien's books and the Tony Wood mateials? Thanks.
-George

[Richard T Eger]

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Jim P.
My latest file to Mike Holm
Wed Feb 13 13:58:01 2026
64.223.199.2

In my latest file to Mike Holm of the latest Prien info I also made an effort to include what Zerstorer claims I could find in Chris Shores 'Fledgling Eagles', as well as Mr. Vasco's book. File has not been posted as of yet, assuming Michael received it.

[Richard T Eger]

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Franek Grabowski
My latest file to Mike Holm
Wed Feb 13 22:25:28 2026
217.98.20.195

I may prepare draft list for Polish Campaign based on Polish books, though I'm very reluctant to it. Certainly it's better than nothing but bad info can be even worser. What do you think?
Franek

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Jim P.
What I've done is
Thu Feb 14 15:39:01 2026
64.223.199.2

add a column to my claims file so that I can quote a source for a claim. I think as long as you do that you'll be covered. Mistakes can always be corrected as new info becomes available. Actually I was quite surprised to note some very significant differences in claims as listed in the new Prien series (obviously due to having Win Bock on board) and as originally listed in Prien's various unit histories.

[Richard T Eger]

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Bob Korkuc
Completed Luftwaffe Victory Reports in 1944-5
Mon May 13 18:00:46 2026
129.86.240.203

I'm curious did the six month process that validated a victory for a Luftwaffe pilot derail at all in the last months of the war?

Asked another way, the Luftwaffe Claim lists kept giving "credit" to Luftwaffe pilots throughout the war, but I'm wondering that as the war neared its conclusion, was the 6 month process still followed?

Bob

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Dick Powers
Claims
Mon May 13 18:53:27 2026
63.150.97.2

Although I don't have proof, reading Don Caldwell's JG 26 War Diaries, I have the impresion that there were few, if any, confirmed victories after approximately October 1944.

I believe this topic was discussed briefly on this forum before.

My contention is that Hartmann did not have 352 victories. He had 'x' confirmed kills and 'y' unconfirmed kills.

Just like Roger maris and his 62* home runs.

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Sean Michael Leeman Airborne!!!
Franz Eisenach victories/claims.
Tue May 14 13:01:40 2026
198.26.123.37

Don't know if this will help, or confuse you but I have been putting together the victory list of Franz Eisenach a possible distant relative of mine with 129 victories on the Eastern Front. He had two victories on 14 December 44, four on 15 December 44, two on 23 December 44, one each on 26 & 29 December 44, three on 6 Jan. 44, one on 21 Feb. 45, two on 23 Feb. 45, three on 5 March 45, one on 6 March 45, and his last two on 19 march 45. All less than six months. SML

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Don Caldwell
You're just adding to the confusion, Sean....
Tue May 14 14:03:22 2026
204.136.184.34

....unless you have proof of confirmation of your 1945 claims (i.e., the confirmation document numbers that appeared on the RLM "flimsies" given the pilots via their units). The "six-month requirement" was no rule, but was a product of bureaucratic turgidity. But from all the evidence known (to me), no claim filed after November 1944 was ever confirmed, and the system broke down entirely at the end of January 1945. This subject has been covered here before at greater length.

HTH - Don

[Richard T Eger]

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kb
I/JG2 in southern France/Italy
Wed May 29 20:32:40 2026
63.91.158.149

Anyone have suggestions where I can locate claims/loss information on I/JG2 activities from Jan to Apr 1944?

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Jim P.
Heres some claims
Thu May 30 02:20:34 2026
209.237.196.201

27-Jan-44 Ltn. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 Spitfire Nettuno 11.01 12 153 yes
27-Jan-44 N.N. 1. JG 2 Spitfire Nettuno 11.02 - 154 yes
27-Jan-44 Ltn. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 Spitfire Nettuno 11.13 13 155 yes
27-Jan-44 Ltn. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 Spitfire Nettuno 11.17 14 156 yes
27-Jan-44 N.N. 4. JG 2 - Marseille-Aix-Montpellier: e 12.15 - 18 yes
27-Jan-44 N.N. 4. JG 2 - Marseille-Aix-Montpellier: e 12.20 - 19 yes
27-Jan-44 N.N. 3. JG 2 - Marseille-Aix-Montpellier: e 12.25 - 136 yes
27-Jan-44 N.N. 4. JG 2 - Marseille-Aix-Montpellier: e 12.26 - 20 yes
09-Feb-44 Obfw. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 Spitfire CP-22: 2500m (SE Cannes) 14.50 16 158 i.O. anerk: 158
09-Feb-44 Obfw. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 Spitfire CP-3: 1500m (SE Cannes) 14.54 17 159 i.O. anerk: 159
09-Feb-44 Obfw. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 Spitfire CP-9: 200m (SE Cannes) 15.00 18 160 i.O. anerk: 160
09-Feb-44 Obfw. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 Spitfire CQ-58: 1200m (SE Cannes) 16.35 19 161 i.O. anerk: 161
29-Feb-44 Hptm. Adalbert Sommer Stab I. JG 2 Spitfire IX 4km N. Borgo Mantello: 3200m 14.04 - 127 i.O
29-Feb-44 Ltn. Detlef Grossfüß Stab I. JG 2 Dragonfly 12km NW Nettuno: 300m 14.10 - 82 i.O
29-Feb-44 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Kurth 1. JG 2 Spitfire 5km SSW Cisterna: 1800m 14.15 - 189 i.O
29-Feb-44 Fw. Gerhard Kilchling 2. JG 2 Kittyhawk 25km NE Nettuno: 1200m 14.20 - 83 i.O
29-Feb-44 Fhj.Ofw. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 Spitfire 2km N. Nettuno: 700m 17.20 20 163 i.O
29-Feb-44 Fhj.Ofw. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 Spitfire 20km SW Tibermündung: 500m 17.22 21 164 i.O
03-Mar-44 Hptm. Adalbert Sommer Stab I. JG 2 B-24 5km SW Tuscania: 5200m 11.42 - 128 i.O
03-Mar-44 Uffz. Franz Hilbaer 1. JG 2 P-47 4km SW Tuscania: 5500m 11.47 - 165 i.O
03-Mar-44 Fhj.Ofw. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 P-47 Vallentano: 4800m 11.51 22 166 i.O
03-Mar-44 Ltn. Detlef Grossfuß 3. JG 2 B-24 5km W. Fl.Pl. Tarquinia: 4000m 11.52 - 84 i.O
03-Mar-44 Fhj.Ofw. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 P-47 5km N. Farnese: 8500m 11.53 23 167 i.O
03-Mar-44 Ofw. Fritz Hartmann 3. JG 2 B-24 25km S. Orbetello (See): 4800m 11.58 - 129 i.O
03-Mar-44 Uffz. Clemens Walterscheid 3. JG 2 B-24 15km S. Orbetello (See): 4800m 11.59 - 130 i.O
03-Mar-44 Ofhr. Klaus Eugel 1. JG 2 P-47 5km S. Montalto di Castro: 5800m 12.05 - 168 i.O
03-Mar-44 Uffz. Clemens Walterscheid 3. JG 2 B-24 9km SW Poligiamo FD 4-5: 4800m (FD-45) 12.08 - 131 i.O
07-Mar-44 Hptm. Adalbert Sommer Stab I. JG 2 Spitfire IX 5-10km N. Littoria KF-6: 6800m 09.26 - 132 i.O
07-Mar-44 Fhj.Ofw. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 Spitfire 5km NE Nettuno: 1500m 09.45 24 169 i.O
07-Mar-44 Fhj.Ofw. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 Spitfire 15km W. Nettuno: tiefflug 09.57 25 170 i.O
07-Mar-44 Fhj.Ofw. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 B-24 55km SW Tarquinia: 4000m 12.22 26 - i.O
10-Mar-44 Fw. Herbert Penz 2. JG 2 A-36 10km NE Marcigliana: 20m 10.10 - 85 i.O
10-Mar-44 Oblt. Georg Schröder 4. JG 2 Mustang 10km NW Rome JE-3: 500m 10.12 - 25 i.O
10-Mar-44 Ofw. Kuno Dollenmaier 4. JG 2 P-51 10km W. Rome JE-2: 500m 10.14 - 26 i.O
10-Mar-44 Uffz.-Ofhr. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 P-51 5km N. Rome: 800m 10.15 27 171 i.O
11-Mar-44 Uffz. Rudolf Wirtgen 1. JG 2 Spitfire 5km NW Nettuno: 3500m 07.16 - 172 i.O
11-Mar-44 Uffz.-Ofhr. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 Spitfire 20km NE Nettuno: 3500m 07.20 - - i.O
11-Mar-44 Uffz.-Ofhr. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 - 13.20 28 - unk
13-Mar-44 Oblt. Georg Schröder 4. JG 2 A-36 15km NE Lake Vico: 2026m 11.12 - 27 i.O
13-Mar-44 Ltn. Detlef Grossfüß 2. JG 2 A-36 Jabo 5km WSW Orte: 2026m 11.13 - 86 i.O
13-Mar-44 Ofw. Fritz Hartmann 3. JG 2 A-36 bei Orte: 1550m 11.14 - 133 i.O
13-Mar-44 Ltn. Rolf Ersche 3. JG 2 A-36 12km E. Viterbo SE-23: 1500m 11.15 - 134 i.O
13-Mar-44 Ltn. Detlef Grossfüß 2. JG 2 A-36 Jabo 10km SE Viterbo: tiefflug 11.21 - 87 i.O
14-Mar-44 Uffz.-Ofhr. Siegfried Lemke 1. JG 2 B-26 5km NW Roma:

[Richard T Eger]

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kb
Thanks Jim! n/p
Fri May 31 05:38:06 2026
209.86.129.12