Books on flying captured aircraft - 2

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

John Heard
Axis aircraft in Switzerland
Wed Mar 13 20:33:08 2026
212.50.160.27

Hello Everyone,

I am currently doing research on military aircraft "interned" in Switzerland during WW.II.

Having recently acquired the Squadron signal books "Strangers in a Strange Land" (Volumes 1+2), which deal with Allied aircraft types I am trying to find details of Luftwaffe / Axis aircraft.

I have been told that there might have been a fairly recent German language publication on this subject with a complete list of such aircraft. Can anyone enlighten me further with details of this book, or any other such publications on this subject matter.

Many thanks for any help.

John

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jerry Brewer
Beute Park 5 in Nanterre
Sun Apr 7 18:18:41 2026
195.92.67.72

Hi,
Does anyone know how many of these parks were in existance, where they were, what was their uses ?
Thanks if anyone can help

[Richard T Eger]

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Larry deZeng
Beutelager
Mon Apr 8 13:27:13 2026
152.163.197.207


Beutepark d.Lw. 1 (FpN: L 26481): in the Luftflotte 3 area (France and the Low Countries), but exact location unknown; probably in northeastern France or Belgium.
Beutepark d.Lw. 2 (FpN: L 23426): existed Jul 41 to Sep 43 for Barbarossa and then disbanded; located at Brest-Litovsk in eastern Poland.
Beutepark d.Lw. 3 (FpN: L 23997): existed Jul 41 to Apr 43 for Barbarossa and then disbanded; mainly at Nikolayev/Ukraine; all or elements of it appear to have moved forward to Rostov in late summer 42.
Beutepark d.Lw. 4 (FpN: L 38548): existed Jul 41 to Apr 44 for Barbarossa and then disbanded; located at Lvov/South Poland.
Beutepark d.Lw. 5 (FpN: L 02941): existed Jul 41 to c. Feb 45; from Jul 41 to summer 44 located at Paris-Nanterre and then withdrew to an unknown location in Germany.
Beutepark d.Lw. 7 (FpN: L 00322): existed Jul 41 to fall 43 for Barbarossa and then disbanded; located at Vilnius (Wilna)/Lithuania.
Lw. Beute-Endlager 3 GL (FpN: L 24355): existed summer 40 to spring 43; no other information.

A Beutepark was essentially a salvage yard for captured aviation hardware. They dispatched salvage sections and teams with trucks to pick up captured aircraft parts and scrap assembled at collection airfields throughout their area of responsibility. At the Beutepark, the salvaged equipment was sorted and separated into that which could be repaired, overhauled and re-used, and that which was declared scrap and then sent to a smelter. A typical Beutepark had a relatively small German staff and employed a thousand or more foreign workers.

For more details see: Stapfer, Hans-Heiri. "Strangers in a Strange Land". Carrollton (TX): Squadron/Signal Publications, 1988. ISBN: 0-89747-198-9. Oversize Pb with laminated cover. 80p. Heavily illus. This book provides coverage and photos of Beutelager 5 in France.

(Larry)

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jerry brewer
Many thanks for the detailed reply
Mon Apr 8 19:36:10 2026
195.92.67.75

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Orla Kragh Jensen
Stamkennetzeigne DZ+OT
Fri Jun 7 22:12:20 2026
195.41.66.1

Hi. I am searching for informations on the "stamkennetzeigne" DZ+OD to DZ+OT, given to at least 13 Fokker C V in march 1944. The planes was sendt to 2/NSGr.11 and changed kode to 3W+OD etc. I would like to know when the codes were issued, to how many planes, other planes than Fokker etc. I know that a He. 50E had the code 3W+NO.

Can anyone help?

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Tom Willis
Stkz DZ+OD to DZ+OT
Sat Jun 8 00:40:53 2026
62.30.192.2

Hi Orla

I can confirm that the codes were issued in March 1944 as I have DZ+OH being test-flown at Est Rechlin by the test-pilot Ballerstedt on 13.03.44.

I would appreciate if you could let me have your source for the date of the issue of the Stammkennzeichen codes for March 1944.

It would also appear that the last two Stkz codes OD to OT were kept on the a/c when the Verbandzeichen 3W was issued.

It is possible that other ex-Danish a/c seized after August 1943 may have been issued with the DZ+O. codes but I have nothing concrete on this.

Do you have any info on any other ex-Danish types with Stkz codes?

Hope this helps

Tom Willis

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Carl-Fredrik Geust
EX-Danish aircraft
Sat Jun 8 07:01:48 2026
195.165.1.13

At least the Fokker CVE 3W+OS was captured by the Red Army in seemingly flyable condition, see my books "Under the Red Star" and "Red Stars" Vol. 2 (German aircraft in Soviet Union) for photos.
In early Oct 1944 the ex-Danish Fokker CVEs (3W+OL and +OD) and one He 50 (3W+NO) escaped to Sweden (see the books by Bo Widfeldt "Luftwaffe in Sweden" and "Nödlandning"),
best regards
Carl

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Orla Kragh Jensen
Ex. Danish Fokker CVE
Sat Jun 8 10:26:04 2026
195.41.66.1

Hi Carl.

Thank you for your responce. Do you know where it might be possible to buy the two books "Under the Red Star" and "Red Stars" Vol. 2, since I would be very interested. I know "Nödlanding", but not "Luftwaffe in Sweden, so I will be looking for that as well.
I have been searching the Danish National Archives for information on Fokker CVE 3W+OD(Swedish crash report no. T-52(Danish code R-23, Prod.no. 64), where only the Bristol Pegasus engine, the prop. and the instruments vere returned to Denmark in 1947. There seems to be some difficulties in desiding wether it was R-23 or R-47 (Prod.no. 80). I did not feind much information on 3W+OL (Swedish crash report no. T-52) (Danish Code R-42, Prod.no. 75), besides that it was sold as scrap in 1945.

So you se, I would be wery interested in any material regarding the Danish Fokkers.

Regards Orla.

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Lars Sundin
Re: Ex. Danish Fokker CVE
Sat Jun 8 20:36:24 2026
213.114.174.50

For the books by Mr Widfeldt and co-authors, see his website Air Historicakl Research on http://ahr.widfeldt.se/english.html The book "Luftwaffe in Sweden"is presented there too even it was published by an American publisher and is reported to be out of stock there.

Regards/Lars S

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Philip Baker
Danish Fokkers in LW service
Sun Jun 9 17:37:41 2026
195.93.48.166

Hi Orla

A useful site which perhaps has some of the info you're looking for could be www.luftwaffe-experten.co.uk (http://www.luftwaffe-experten.co.uk) . Within this try Beuteflugzeuge 1933-45 which lists every non-German aircraft sequestrated into LW service, detailing the codes and what happened to the aircraft. All of the ex-Danish CV's which you are researching are listed there. If you already know the site I've probably wasted my time writing this!

Regards - Phil Baker

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Carl-Fredrik Geust
Books
Sun Jun 9 18:56:29 2026
194.251.240.107

Orla,
my books referred to are currently out of print, but I have seen them in catalogs of international on-line booksellers (amazon, motorbooks international or zenith aviation). I have also a scent memory of having seen them in Nyboder Boghandel (?) in Copenhagen,
good luck
Carl

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Orla Kragh Jensen
Stkz DZ+OH
Sat Jun 8 10:05:44 2026
195.41.66.1

Hi Tom.
Thank you for your answer. I got the information from a Dutchman, Volker Liedloff (www.volker.liedloff.com). Is it possible for you to send me at picture (JPG or BMP) of DZ-OH, plus the text concerning the plane. If you do look at the picture shown here, you vil se that the Stkz was used on several planes. http://pub73.ezboard.com/fluftwaffeexperten71774frm63.showMessage?topicID=1 3.topic . Do you have official RLM documentation for the Stkz issued in March -44?
I know he story of 3W-OD, OL, OS (and the NO), but i would like to know about the rest of the planes as well, since I am trying to find the fate of theex. Danish build Fokker's.

Looking forward to heering from you, Orla.

[Richard T Eger]

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Rabe Anton
Fokker CV Photos
Sat Jun 8 15:13:33 2026
152.163.197.76

There are photos of D Z + O S and D Z + O T published in Price, Luftwaffe in Camera, 1942-1945, p. 23.

RA

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Orla Kragh Jensen
Re.: Fokker CV photos
Sat Jun 8 16:03:32 2026
195.41.66.1

Hi, and thank you for the information. Are there any text attached to the Photos. I will be searching for the book anyway.

Regards Orla.

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Venancio
Search at ebay ! You can get it at low cost (n/t)
Fri Jun 14 10:48:11 2026
193.126.227.254

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Dénes Bernád
Fokker C.V. in Luftwaffe service
Sun Jun 9 05:37:41 2026
149.99.119.159

In my book, titled 'Horrido. Air Combat on the Eastern Front', page 125, top, I published a photo that shows at least 3 ex-Danish Fokker C.V.'s in Luftwaffe colours. They wear the following Stkz.: DZ+OS, DZ+OT and DZ+OD.
These airplanes were reportedly flown by Estonian pilots, members of the 2./NSGr. 11.

Dénes

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Kari Lumppio
About the photo
Mon Jun 10 09:40:27 2026
130.233.83.21

Hi Dénes!

I have looked the same photo many times (it can be found in several publications) . The printed photos I have seen have not been too clear and the DZ+OD could have been taken also as +OO and +OQ. I would like to ask your confirmation that the third plane on the photo indeed is DZ+OD.

I would also like to ask question about the original photo. I am guessing that it originally is an official PK-photo. And as such it could be found at Bundesarchiv photo archive. Do you have the photo archival code or is your copy from other source?

I do remember seeing a photo of probably the same Fokkers but from different angle. Also I think it was in Wings of Fame or similar publication and article author was John Weal. Actually it was the name Weal which made me to think this is original PK-photo... If anyone is able to verfy ro deny this I would be greatful to hear about you.

Also any and all info about photos of Luftwaffe Fokker CVs, Heinkel 50 (also used by NSGr 11) are welcomed. Especially the Bundesarchiv photo numbers as many (most?) of the available photos orginate from those.


With Best Regards,
Kari

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Kari Lumppio
NSGr 11 Fokker CVs (LONG!)
Sun Jun 9 11:05:13 2026
193.229.6.165

NSGr 11 Fokker CVs

Luftwaffe Fokker CVE - ” Dutch plane, stolen by Germans from Danes and given to Estonians to fight against Soviets”.

Source material for NSGr 11 Fokkers is scarce. In the end of this post I give a listing of literature I have used. No material for Fokker CVs is to be found at Eesti Riigiarhiiv (Estonian National Archive), I have checked.


How many Fokker CVs was used by NSGr 11?

Sources give different numbers for NSGr 11Fokker CVs. Most say twelve, but for example Arro gives ”total of 13”. First official strength number is for 10th June 1944, when reportedly (Einsatzbereitschaftsmeldung) 2./NSGr 11 had 11 Fokker CV of which 10 were airworthy. I have no info where the two(?) ”missing” Fokker CVs went.

When did the Fokkers arrive?

NSGr 11 got its Fokkers in Spring 1944. First official mention is the report mentioned before. No info available for May and in April only He 50s are reported in NSGr 11 strength. Arro gives arrival period as ”from February to April”. There is injury reported for March 27th, when a mechanic was injured by Fokker CVE s/n 77 (no further identification for the plane) at ”Flugplatz Reval-Laksberg” (Tallin-Lasnamägi).

Who used the Fokkers?

If we believe the Luftwaffe documents then the sole user was 2./NSGr 11. But this is all too neat. Both Ürgsoo and Arro give 1./NSGr 11 as the Fokker-staffel. It is even possible that the staffel nominations (1st and 2nd) were switched even in reality ( Gruppe parlance vs. official documents). This mess have it’s roots in the renomination of 2. and 3./AGr 127 to 1. and 2./NSGR 11 in late 1943. I have tried to clear this issue with the surviving members of the Gruppe but in vain. One gunner mentions that both 1. and 2./NSGr 11 would have used Fokkers (this may well have been the actual situation). Oberleutnant Eduard Lepp who flew Fokker 3W+OL to Sweden was from 1st staffel if that means anything. For certain 3./NSGr 11 did have one Fokker CV even if this doesn’t show in documents. It was flown by the 3rd staffel Technical officer Oberleutnant Georg Poolma.

2./NSGr 11 bases

During the time NSGr 11 had Fokkers 1st and 2nd Staffel flew missions from Jõhvi-Tammiku*, Rahkla and Adavere. According the Estonian sources they never were at Põltsamaa* (Oberpahlen in German). There was III/SG3 at Põltsamaa, and they (probably) had couple of Estonians in their strength. The staffels visited Tartu (Dorpat) briefly but no mission was flown from there as the airfield was already under Soviet artillery fire! At Latvia no missions was flown according the sources.

*Jõhvi & Põltsamaa (if the second letter is messed it should be an ”o” with ”~” above it)

Known fates of NSGr 11 Fokkers

As it seems NSGr 11 started it’s Summer 1944 with 11 Fokkers. There is no accidents reported which could be tied with Fokkers during June-July 1944 (all reports acconted for). Didn’t have time to check if there is any Fokker incidents in anecdotal references.

There is three 100% losses for NSGr 11 between 1.8-17.8.1944 for which I am not able (yet) to find additional info. There could be a Fokker-loss in them but I doubt it (read furhter).

At the night of 29th August happened what the NSGr 11 veterans call ”Kärevere pauk” (Big Bang of Kärevere). This was a night when alltogether seven planes was destroyed/damaged in landing accidents.

One of the planes was 3./NSGr 11 TO’s Fokker which I mentioned before. There is two photos published of this plane after the accident (Arro, p.89 (2nd ed.) p. 92 (3rd ed.). Unfortunately the Stammkennzeichen are painted over. There is small number 2 within a ring painted on rudder. Though the color could be yellow (staffel colour) instead of white. According Ürgsoo the wreck was there (Kärevere) still in 18th September when 3./NSGr 11 transferred to Blome, Latvia.

The Kärevere (3./NSGr 11 base) was closed after accident and the returning Arado Ar 66s ha

[Richard T Eger]

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Anonymous
Re: NSGr 11 Fokker CVs (LONG!)
Wed Jun 12 16:49:41 2026
134.58.253.193

At first they were not stolen ! They were captured after the Netherlands was defeated, cause otherwise every german aircraft were stolen by the Allies. Second not more than 11 Fokker CV were in Service of 2. NSGr 11.

regards T

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Kari Lumppio
Dear T / Anonymous
Wed Jun 12 21:16:31 2026
193.229.6.165

Hi!

Why are you so upset!? If you did read carefully you probably did notice quotation marks on the sentence. It is actually a saying from NSGr 11 and direct translation from a senctence from Hendrik Arro's book. Arro was 3./NSGr 11 pilot, flying Arado 66C. Maybe I should have pointed out this fact too, as there seems to be very thin skinned people around here.

You also say that "Second not more than 11 Fokker CV were in Service of 2. NSGr 11". If you did read my text carefully, please do quote me where did I say that 2./NSGr 11 ever had more than 11 Fokker CV? I wrote only about NSGr 11 as a whole.

And the fact remains that NSGr 11 reported 8 Fokkers in October when Estonia had already been dumped (operation "Aster"). There is photos of 4 different Fokkers CV left back in Estonia. Now in my universe 8+4=12. Now, how do you explain that, eh?

NSGr 11 paper work is a mess, especially what regards 3./NSGr 11. One simply can't take them as absolute fact, period. One can quote them á la "according the NSGr 11, blah blah" but it necessarily is not what actually existed/happened.

If you do have material for NSGr 11, plese feel free to contact me. I left my e-mail addres up there as usually. Just click ahead. If you was just ranting, go ahead and be my guest.


Regards,
Kari