Books on Ju 52

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Rodney Tsao
Ju52 losts in Crete/Stalingrad? Which is correct?
Mon Apr 22 07:36:53 2002
130.203.167.155

From most of the Luftwaffe books, the Ju52/3m lost in Crete reached the number of 271, and the number in Stalingrad was 266.

But from E.R.Hooton's 'Eagle in Flames', Luftwaffe lost 121 transports in Crete (total aircraft lost was 259), and in Stalingrad 174 Ju52/3m were lost (total aircraft lost was 279).

If both numbers (Hooton's and other sources) were correct, does this mean the higher numbers (271 and 266) include damaged ones? Or among the above numbers some were heavily damaged but able to repair some time later?

Thanks in advanced.

Rodney
PA

[Richard T Eger]

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LwFlieger
Ju 52 losses
Tue Apr 23 03:06:04 2002
205.188.198.159

Undoubtedly the higher numbers refer to the total number of losses and damaged. From photo evidence it is apparent that many aircraft were salvageable, often by swapping parts. It is also apparent from pictures that many planes were only worth scrap, if that. As for the true figures, I can't even attempt to estimate them. Sounds like a project for someone with access to official loss records. You might want to look at:

"Die deutschen Transportflieger im Zweiten Weltkrieg" by Fritz Morzik (Frankfurt/Main, 1966).

or at

"German Air Force Airlift Operations" by Fritz Morzik; USAF Historical Studies: No. 167 (New York, 1968).

The later is more accessible but not as detailed by far.

[Richard T Eger]

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richard aigner
WTB: Kossler "Transporter - wer kennt sie schon?"
Thu Apr 25 06:50:12 2002
212.16.35.203

Anyone out there willing to part with his copy of this book?
Plese get in touch!! Richard

(Intrigued, I finally found the following reference to this book on the Luftwaffe Bullet Board of Bert Hartmann's unsere-luftwaffe.de forum. The following is the original German followed by a course Altavista translation:

"Geschrieben von Alexander W. Hohl

Ein hervorragendes Buch für Ju 52 Fans ist das Buch von Karl Kössler, bekannt als Autor
bei Jet&Prop, über die Transporterverbände bei der Luftwaffe. Das Buch kan bestellt werden bei, Kameradschaft der Transprotflieger, Peter Briegel, Akazienstr. 14, 86899 Landsberg

MfG

Alexander W. Hohl"

Altavista:

"Written by Alexander W. Hohl

A outstanding book for Ju 52 fans is well-known the book by Karl Koessler, as an author with Jet&Prop, over the transporter federations at the Air Force. The book kan to be ordered, comrade shank of the Transprotflieger, Peter Briegel, Akazienstr. 14, 86899 Landsberg

MfG

Alexander W. Hohl"

Regards,
Richard)

[Richard T Eger]

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Horst Zoeller
Ju52 in Soviet Services
Wed May 1 20:51:38 2002
172.178.99.70

Does anyone have informations about those Junkers Ju52,
which were used by the Soviets after the end of WWII.
I am mostly interested in Werksnummern, tailsigns
and service dates.

Thank you,
Horst Zoeller

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Dénes Bernád
Ju 52s in Soviet Service
Thu May 2 20:17:46 2002
204.101.53.233

You should check out the Finnish 'Red Star' series of books, authored/co-authored by C.-F. Geust.

I have a photo taken on an ex-Luftwaffe airfield nearby Stalingrad, in early 1943, with a Ju 52 already sporting Soviet Red Stars.

Beside ex-Luftwaffe machines, the Soviets received a couple of Ju 52s from Rumania as well, part of war reparations.

Dénes

[Richard T Eger]

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George Harper
"Transporter" by Karl Kössler
Thu Jun 13 08:59:01 2002
63.60.239.225

I have just purchased the book "Transporter - wer kennt sie schon!" by Karl Kössler (Alba Buchverlag 1976, ISBN 3-87094-410-2).

I would appreciate any comments on the accuracy of the information contained in this book.

Thanks in advance,

George Harper.

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Artie Bob
Personal opinion
Thu Jun 13 12:29:12 2002
65.82.100.93

In my humble opinion, Karl is certainly one of the best people working in the field of Luftwaffe history. He has access to a great deal of original material and appears to apply the information in a logical and correct mnner. To me, the Ju 52 publication is a little jewel, a well defined subject, researched from original sources, clearly written and presented.

[Richard T Eger]

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Jim P.
What Artie said in spades. n/t
Thu Jun 13 13:24:04 2002
64.223.199.2

[Richard T Eger]

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Rabe Anton
Kössler - Transporter
Thu Jun 13 13:39:08 2002
205.188.199.168

Ditto, Art and Jim. Kössler's work in Transporter and elsewhere is very good indeed. Now then, for a certain, ahem, backbenching audience that pops up here now and again—is it BARELY possible that this man's education MIGHT have something to do with his products?!

RA

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George Harper
Many thanks Artie, Jim and Rabe (n/t)
Thu Jun 13 13:45:01 2002
63.34.197.85

[Richard T Eger]

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Chris Vernaleken
Kössler's profession
Fri Jun 14 08:18:42 2002
130.83.244.129

Dear Rabe Anton,

while I am not sure that I'm the "audience" you directed your question to, let me make the following comments on Kössler's education and professional life:

Kössler holds a university degree in engineering (100% certain), most likely in the field of aeronautics. IIRC, he was the director of the Luftfahrtbundesamt in Brauschnweig, which is the German counterpart of the FAA. Hence, it's not really a miracle that his books are excellent - he has exactly the background knowledge needed to interpret genuine WWII Luftwaffe documents.

Best regards,

Christoph

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Rabe Anton
Kössler's Profession
Fri Jun 14 12:18:28 2002
152.163.207.187

Hallo Chris!

And a real "Dr.," nicht wahr?

RA

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Chris Vernaleken
No PhD, as far as I know....
Fri Jun 14 12:29:24 2002
130.83.244.129

I know of no doctorate, he's Dipl.-Ing. (engineer)... He'd use that for his Jet&Prop articles...

Cheers,

Christoph

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Luc Wittemans
curious
Thu Jun 13 16:00:09 2002
195.207.141.130

Never heard about this book or author and your comments made me curious about what this book is about. Could someone tell me a little bit more about what I can expect to find in this book?

Thanks,

Luc Wittemans

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Jim P.
LW transport units & markings, primarily Ju 52 n/t
Thu Jun 13 16:45:35 2002
64.223.199.2

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

Phil Baker
Ju.52 floatplane
Tue Oct 1 16:14:30 2002
195.93.34.12

Can anyone help with some questions I have on the Ju.52 floatplane variant?

- Was there any difference in the specifications of the 'Wasser' or 'See' designations, because it seems to be termed as either?
- Was the Ju.52 'See' operated by KGrzbV.108 during the 1940 Scaninavian campaign an earlier floatplane version (if such a thing existed) or was it the g5e series?
- How did the floats affect performance - speed, range, ceiling - and what was the aircraft's height?

Thanks - PhilB

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Richard Rycroft
Junkers Ju 52/3mW
Mon Oct 28 18:32:00 2002
207.172.11.233

William Green's book "War Planes of the Second World War, Volume Six "floatplanes" pages 83-85 descibes this aircraft and includes photos.
The "W" were interchangeable in that they could either have wheels or floats attached according to the needs at that time. From 1940 until mid-1942, the Fokker plant manufactured floats for the g4e, g5e, g7e and g8e series. Besides Norway, they were used in Greece, Yogoslavia and to supply Rommel in Nord Afrika.
The specs for the g7e series are: three 830 h.p. BMW 132T nine-cylinder radial air-cooled engines. It carried one 13-mm MG 131 machine gun in the dorsal position and two lateral 7.9-mm MG 15 machine guns. Maximum speed, 158 mph at sea level, 163 mph at 3,000-feet; cruising speed of 129 mph at 3,000-feet; climb to 9,840-feet in 19-minutes; service ceiling of 16,580-feet; maximum range of 930-miles at 8,200-feet. Weight: 15,675-lbs empty and 24,200-lbs loaded. That's what the book has (in a nut shell).
Munson's "German Aircraft of World War 2" lists the g7e series as maximum speed of 178 mph at 4,595-feet; cruising speed of 157 mph at 4,595-feet. Weight: 14,330-lbs empty and 24,251-lbs loaded. Range: 683-miles with the same engines. His only reference to Norway includes the III./Transportgeschwader 3. It was also listed with TG 1, Tg 2, TG 4, TG 5, TG 20 and TG 30. It was the sole type of aircraft in Kampfgeschwadern (und Kampfgruppen) zbV 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 40, 50, 60, 101, 102, 103, 107, 172, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, 900, 999, Brindisi, Frankfurt, Naples, Oels, Posen, Reggio and wittstock. My references do NOT indicate if these aircraft were float equipped at any time.

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Dénes Bernád
Two recent Luftwaffe titles from Squadron/Signal Publ.
Sun Feb 9 20:42:07 2003
149.99.113.54

There was no mention on this board of two recent Luftwaffe titles from Squadron/Signal Publ., namely the Junkers Ju 52 and Heinkel He 111 'In Action'.
I personally found both books useful and well worth the money.
Any other opinions?

Dénes

[Richard T Eger]

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Peter A James
Ju52 & He111 books
Mon Feb 10 12:12:18 2003
192.102.214.6

I thought that the line drawings in Ju52 weren't quite up to the usual standard. But both books are well worth buying IMHO. He111 could do with a volume 2 though!

Peter.

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Lynn
Which Ju 52 unit or units delivered the gliders...
Tue Jun 17 02:15:38 2003
63.188.176.30

for the attack on Fort Eben Emael in May 1940? I've found tons of references to the German pioneer unit itself, but none concerning the ID of the KGrzbV that towed the DFS 230s to the German border then detached them.

My goal is to build one of these aircraft; if anyone knows of specific codes for one of the Ju 52s involved in the operation, that would be very helpful. And if such info is available for the DFS 230s, so much the better!

Thanks in advance,

Lynn

[Richard T Eger]

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Hans
Eben Emarl
Fri Jun 20 05:57:48 2003
205.188.209.140

Hi Lynn
long time

Best Info you can find at Heinz Nowarra's JU 52 Flugzeug und Legende. Even about the officers involved.

Best info about DFS 230 in HITLERS LUFTWAFFE by Wood and Gunston

f/g

Hans