"Die Ritterkreuzträger der Luftwaffe 1939-1945", Bande 1 & 2, by Ernst Obermaier - 2

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Rob Romero
Ernst Obermaier books.
Wed Mar 27 19:54:02 2002
165.155.160.40

Does anyone know where I might be able to get the most recent ENGLISH editions of both Ernst Obermaier volumes on Knight's Cross winners at a reasonable price?

[Richard T Eger]

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John Beaman
Re: Ernst Obermaier books.
Wed Mar 27 23:07:14 2002
12.93.73.109

The most recent English language edition of his book of RKT is 1966, dual German and English. I have seen prices for this original volume from $60 to $200.

[Richard T Eger]

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Jim P.
And based on what John said...
Thu Mar 28 02:58:27 2002
209.237.197.145

it must also be added that the original bi-lingual edition of these books contain nowhere near the information of the later Deutsch-only versions. The later printings, particularly for the fighter guys, includes info on aircraft that the various pilots flew, at least to the extent of the machines that they were lost or injured in, in most cases including WNr. and codes. Also, in many cases, the bio info is more complete. Learn a little of the language, its not that hard really -- particularly if within the limited context of the of this field of interest. You'd be surprised how much you can learn and extract with a good English-German dictionary. The basics come easy with a little effort -- Notlandung, Bauchlandung, Bruchlandung, Luftkampf, Kuhlertreffer, Fallschirmabsprungen -- these are common words to most of this stuff. (forced landing, bellylanding, crashlanding, air combat, hit in the radiator, parachuted -- if I can learn it, anyone can!)

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

mike27
Re: Ernst Obermaier books.
Thu Mar 28 08:36:43 2002
68.8.55.50

You can get an english version here, http://www.leisuregalleries.com/kcbook1.html

but its signed and priced extremely high, $695.

I got a German text version and its pretty easy to get through, my German is not good at all and I can get through it. More info than in the English version as well.

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Bryan Gallacher
Obermaier
Sun Mar 31 14:16:38 2002
62.252.192.5

Just to change the subject slightly!

DOES ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THE RECCE/TRANSPORT & BOMBER EDITIONS. I BELIEVE THAT AFTER HIS DEATH THE MANUSCRIPTS WERE BOUGHT (ALMOST COMPLETE) BUT THE PROBLEM IS CONCERNED WITH THE PUBLISHER?

BRYAN

[Richard T Eger]

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Andy Fletcher
Re: Johannes Hager
Thu Apr 18 15:52:03 2002
12.151.162.48


Hi Ota,

Thank you very much for the info, it is of great help and is much appreciated.

Am I correct in thinking that Obermaier´s book "Ritterkreuzträger der Luftwaffe, Band 1 - Jagdflieger" is only available in German?

Regards

Andy Fletcher

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Ota Jirovec
Re: Johannes Hager
Fri Apr 19 08:14:48 2002
146.102.168.24

Hi Andy,

Well, there are two editions, one from 1966 issued both in German and English, and one newer from 1989 (?) which is completed but in German only. But it is an "easy" German. I think it is worth buying.

Ota

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Andy Fletcher
Thanks Ota (n/t)
Fri Apr 19 14:43:03 2002
12.151.162.48

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Lluis Garreta
Ernst Obermaier book
Thu Jun 27 17:09:39 2002
62.174.91.106

Hi all:

I'm searching the book "Die Ritterkrueztrager Der Luftwaffe 1939-1945" by Ernst Obermaier and Verlag Dieter Hoffman. All I have found is a german version, but I'm intersted in an english version.

Anyone knows of an english version of this book? Or there is only the german original version?

Regards,

Lluis Garreta
garre@retemail.es
http://www.aire.org/messer

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[Richard T Eger]

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John Beaman
Re: Ernst Obermaier book
Thu Jun 27 18:27:29 2002
216.136.45.130

The current book in German, which I assume you are talking about was published 10-12 years ago. The earlier version had dual Engish and German was published in the 1960s. It brings $200+ if you can find one. The current version has many error corrections and has much updated information--a more useful book, even in German.

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Paulo Dario
English version
Thu Jun 27 21:08:29 2002
200.202.0.110

There is a 1966 English/German language version, pretty hard to find, I might add.
regards
Paulo dario

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Tom Semenza
Obermaier book
Fri Jun 28 18:24:14 2002
152.163.201.213

Lluis,

I have both versions of this book. I photocopied the original 1966 version at the Yale Library many years ago. The second edition from 1988 I bought last year. I agree with John Beaman that this later edition is far superior to the original. With the aide of a dictionary you should be able to understand most of the text.

Regards,

Tom

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Douglas Aguiar
Alfred Druschell´s victories
Sun Nov 17 22:22:01 2002
200.227.227.191

Hi folks,

I would like to know how many air victories Alfred Druschell had during his career as ground attack pilot. "The German fighter Units over Russia" by Werner Held (p. 135) shows him with seven aerial victories, but there is no mention about his final score.

Also, I want to know his total number of combat missions.

Many thanks in advance,

Douglas.

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

Don Pearson
Re: Alfred Druschell´s victories
Mon Nov 18 03:10:18 2002
68.38.170.248

Douglas,

The sources I checked seem to agree that there is no certain total of victories for Druschel. He flew over 800 missions, and was lost on Jan 1, 45 as Kommodore of SG4, having returned recently to combat from a desk posting.

Don

[Richard T Eger]

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George Hopp
Alfred Druschel's victories
Mon Nov 18 04:22:43 2002
134.117.137.67

"Die Ritterkreuztrager der Luftwaffe. Band 2" simply states that he gained "at least 7 air victories."

George

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Douglas Jr.
Thanks
Mon Nov 18 23:54:27 2002
200.227.227.228

Don and George,

Thank you for your help.

And it is good to see that you are still around, Don!!!

Best wishes,

Douglas.

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Marty Crawford
Gustav Rodel Bio
Sun Nov 24 01:41:58 2002
24.28.8.173

Is there a source that can me a history or bio of Gustav Rodel? Also a source that give a history of JG-27?
Thank You
Marty Crawford

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

ACmstein@us-state.osis.gov
Gustav Roedel
Mon Nov 25 18:28:27 2002
198.76.105.195

Information on Roedel can also be found in Ernst Obermaier's work on the Ritterkreuztraeger of the Luftwaffe.

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

Laurent Viton
Fritz KARCH 6/JG2
Sun Nov 24 08:38:26 2002
195.93.34.12

I would like information about Ltn Fritz Karch who claimed a B-17 on June 26 , 1943.
How could I trace him or his relatives ?

[Richard T Eger]

From TOCH!:

John Manrho
Fritz Karch
Sun Nov 24 10:56:35 2002
213.75.77.66

Fritz Karch died 30.12.2001.

[Richard T Eger]

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Chris Goss
Re: F.Karch
Sun Nov 24 13:28:56 2002
80.40.83.95

I was in touch with him just before he died but he was very ill then. I have a few photos but his career details are best obtained from the Ritterkreuztraeger book by Obermaier