Books on He 111

[Richard T Eger]

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Matthew Stahlecker
He 111- Z info
Fri Jan 4 04:34:55 2002


I am researching the He- 111z glider tug for a 1/48th kit
I am currently building. I am wondering if there are any
references to the aircraft numbers and squadron colors.
Are the aircraft numbers printed on both sides of both
bodies, or are they on the port side of one and the starboard side of the other? Last of all, when I do find
correct aircraft markings, who makes aftermarket lettering
that are correct font for WWII German markings? Can I down
load this print and make my own?

[Richard T Eger]

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Les Whitehouse
He111Z markings
Sun Jan 6 17:51:46 2002


Results of research over last 3-4 months for He111Z. Details of 9 or 10 of 12 manufactured aircraft attached. My suggested "sensible" positioning of tow cable connection at approx rear spar location of centre section joints in a small fairing, developed from early composite photos in Reis DK&R13 etc. many years ago is now proven by three clear photographs and good reproduction of He111Z datasheet in Shiffer Me321/323 book

Codes/Serials found as follows:- All codes black unless stated. White codes where stated were fuselage only, underwing still black. Crosses and codes were on both fuselage sides (ie 4 no. side radio code applications) in service.

DS+EQ, W Nr. 2835 and it is possible that this could have been the prototype. Started off as an He 111P-2, manufacturer unknown. (70/71/65 White codes & serial on rear fuselage).
W Nr. 3225 (code unknown). Not in service use as crashed into lake on test from Rechlin. Started as an He 111H-4, manufacturer unknown. No known photos.
TM+XI (70/71/65. with eastern front tail band and wing tip undersides and what are believed to be red spinner front half. Unit badge variation of 4(GS) KGzbv 2 with a front segment of the shield added in red. The teaming of TM+ and +XI is my own, both codes cannot be seen together on the aircraft photographs but TM+ seen on what appears to be separate airfield sequence).
TM+KU (70/71/65. Other markings not visible at photo angle).
TM+KV (70/71/65 with winter white camouflage not extending to props or spinners and no visible yellow eastern front markings).
TM+KW (70/71/65 with eastern front yellow tail band and wing tip undersides).
DG+DV (70/71/65 with winter white camouflage extending to props or spinners and eastern front yellow tail band and wing tip undersides) – earlier without winter finish, later with winter finish wearing off. Fuselage code originally white as completed later black.
DG+DZ (70/71/65 with worn winter white camouflage including spinners but not props).
DG+RU (70/71/65, no eastern front yellow markings).
A/C “2”, “Harmmon” – nose shot only known, 4(GS) KGzbv 2 variation on square background. No further details.

Beware the net published photo of He111Z with a strut connected tail portion and a swept back leading edge to the centre section. From a study of three separate postings this is believed by myself to be a wartime photographers “fake” made up of an airbrushed composite of the same standard He111 (x2) added to a separate vertical aerial photo of a landscape.

Published References:-

Reis - DK & R13 Vol 3
Ries - DK & R13 Vol 4
Ries - Luftwaffe a Photographic Record
Squadron Signal No. 6 He 111 in Action
Dressel&Griehl – The Luftwaffe Album
Green – Warplanes of the Third Reich
Griehl – He 111
Leihse – Model Fan Aug 1976
Hans-Peter Dabrowski - Me321/323 (Shiffer)

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Tom
He 111?
Sun Jun 23 10:19:35 2002
212.125.48.12

Hi!

I need information about a He 111 coded "DC+CO". Has anyone information about this bomber?

Regards
Tom

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D Ransome
DC+CD
Mon Jun 24 19:56:45 2002
195.92.168.174

Hi,

May be no use but this aircraft (DC+CD not DC+CO) was an H-3 WNr 3255 used in June 1940 for testing Telefunken equipment, later upgraded to H-4 with DVL and Army Research centre at Peenemunde.

Regards David

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Rabe Anton
Source for He 111 SKZ
Tue Jun 25 17:06:15 2002
198.26.120.13

Hallo Dr David!

I don't mean to impunge your information, but I would be curious as to the source of the He 111 Werknummer and SKZ that you have published, above. Thank you.

RA

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Jim Haycraft
Re: Source for He111 WN & SKZ
Tue Jun 25 20:58:01 2002
209.240.222.130

Hallo Rabe,
One source for He111 WN 3255 (DC+CD), one of the first serial manufactured H-4s (not a re-worked H-3), is Manfred Griehl's HEINKEL HE111: Kampfflugzeug - Torpedobomber - Transporter (Motorbuch Verlag, Stuttgart 1997). This aircraft was used by Telefunken for apparatus tests in June 1940. In October 1940, the same aircraft, along with two others, WN 6983 and 6985, was used by the DVL for tests at Adlershof, near Berlin and at the Heeresversuchsstelle at Peenemünde. The tests involved the Hs 293 missile, I believe. There may be other sources of which I am unaware. Perhaps Mr. Ransome has a different one.

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D Ransome
DC+CD
Tue Jun 25 22:39:48 2002
195.92.168.169

Hi,

The Griehl book is certainly one reference but somewhere lurking in my docs/papers isa a photo showing the back half of the plane which showed the codes and, from what I recall, a barely discernible WNr.

From my other records I seem to have a group of aircraft which were H-3s (3245, 47, 48, 51, 52, and 53. Prior to this I have a large group of H-4s and from 3260 on they are H-4s. This part of my database was done before Griehl's excellent book came out but my info seems to tie in with his WNr and model listing on p.52 and 53. I would be the first to say however that I am also finding new info, clues etc on a regular basis which often necessitates amendments to my database so I would certainly be grateful if you can offer any further info for 3255 as it may shed a different light on the other WNrs mentioned above.

Regards,

David

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Rabe Anton
Source(s) for He 111 SKZ
Tue Jun 25 23:30:07 2002
205.188.197.174

Thanks very much, Jim and Dr. Dave!

RA

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Richard
HE1-11 KG55 Hipley 12th July 1940
Tue Aug 6 16:29:30 2002
195.92.67.66

With reference to this particular a/c and others shot down over Britain, did local police authorities become involved, and if so do these records still exist.

Any photos of Oblt Walter Kleinhanns out there?

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Chris Goss
Re: HE1-11 KG55 Hipley 12th July 1940
Tue Aug 6 19:45:19 2002
80.40.83.128

I suggest you see my 'The Luftwaffe's Battle of Britain-The Bombers' Battle. I contacted one of the crew many years ago but the only photos are of the ac after it crash-landed

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Richard
Hipley Heinkel
Wed Aug 7 12:06:36 2002
195.92.67.68

Thanks for the info. ...

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Bill Norman
Hipley He111
Wed Aug 7 08:02:52 2002
195.93.34.159

Try the air raid files and Police Occurrence Books in the local ref. library or records office

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Graham Boak
Variant Suffixes - He.111P?
Wed Oct 2 10:20:29 2002
20.138.254.2

There is a short thread on the Central and Eastern European Aviation History Forum regarding the He.70K. This made me think about other out-of-sequence variant suffixes.

109T for Traeger
109H and 152H for Hohen-jaeger
111Z for Zwilling

But can anyone explain why the DB600 version of the He.111H was the He.111P?

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Rob Coenen
HE 111 P
Wed Oct 2 18:18:08 2002
152.163.189.236

Dear all,
From Famous Bombers of the Second World War, Green 1959 I quote:
The He 111 V7, which followed the V8, employed a somewhat modified nose, was fitted with a straight-tapered wing and featured a well-faired ventral gun position. This replaced the former dustbin.
Embodying these modifications the HE 111P entered quantity production for the Luftwaffe. The type rapidly replaced the HE 111B, D and E.
And: the first quantity deliveries commenced in the spring of 1939.
Somuch for my Spain statement earlier. However, as the Luftwaffe used names for the letter (e.g F Friedrich for the Me 109F)it seems that the HE 111P was developed using the Spanish Civil War experiences and consequnetly the Pedro.
regards all and good luck
Rob Coenen

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Peter
Heinkel 111 used for dropping fallschirmjager at Sicily?
Fri Dec 27 15:07:16 2002
80.61.33.37

Does someone have information about how 3rd Fallschirmjager Regiment was dropped during the Sicily campaign. Some book mentioned that they used Heinkel 111's. Is that so?
How many men could a Heinkel carry? How did the Fallschirmjager jump from a Heinkel 111 ?

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Gianmaria
He 111s
Fri Dec 27 18:33:34 2002
192.92.126.137

To my knowledge, He111 was never used as a paratroop aircraft over Sicily. The website www.eagle19.freeserve.co.uk doesn't say anything about this.
According to www.bunkerafrikano.com, the first jump from Heinkel 111s took place over the Ardennes, where six aircraft dropped some Fallschirmtruppen behind enemy lines. The planes used for such operations had the upper turret removed and a hole in the floor, from where the paratroops jumped. I can't remember how many could be carried in each plane but the number must have been around 15-20.

The Bunker Afrikano website is currently down for maintenance but you can send an email to webmaster@bunkerafrikano.com for further info.

HTH,
Gianmaria Spagnoletti
http://it.geocities.com/gspagno/main.html

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David Pausey
in "Spitfires over Sicily"...
Mon Dec 30 10:37:46 2002
195.92.67.76

Hello Peter
In this book by B.Cull,N.Malizia,& F.Galea.Pages 154 & 155 they say "The Heinkels attacked had certainly been carrying paratroops,the last elements of FJR3 from Pogliano on their way to join their comrades".
The two Luftwaffe units were I/LLG2 & KGrzbV.25 who were attacked by 93sqn & 243sqn & lost six 100%dest,three 60-50% dam & one 30% dam He111's(not all of there losses were to the Spitfire's).Also "two Me323's were dest on the ground & a number of anti-tank weapons were lost with some key personnel amongst the paratroops".The He111's were attacked at Catania on the 31-7-43.The authors Bibliography has a book by Martin Poppel "Heaven & Hell" for further reading.
Hope this Helps
David

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Dénes Bernád
Two recent Luftwaffe titles from Squadron/Signal Publ.
Sun Feb 9 20:42:07 2003
149.99.113.54

There was no mention on this board of two recent Luftwaffe titles from Squadron/Signal Publ., namely the Junkers Ju 52 and Heinkel He 111 'In Action'.
I personally found both books useful and well worth the money.
Any other opinions?

Dénes

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Peter A James
Ju52 & He111 books
Mon Feb 10 12:12:18 2003
192.102.214.6

I thought that the line drawings in Ju52 weren't quite up to the usual standard. But both books are well worth buying IMHO. He111 could do with a volume 2 though!

Peter.

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Comments regarding the relative merits of the He 111 versus Ju 88, as initiated from a quote from the 'Bf 110, Me 210 & Me 410' book by Mankau & Petrick can be found at the topic "Books on Bf 110/Me 210/Me 410 - 4" on the "References & Reference Materials" forum.

Regards,
Richard