Books on Ju 87 - 2

[Richard T Eger]

From 12 O'Clock High!:

John Kahl
Romanian fliers
Sun Mar 17 04:49:35 2002
64.9.45.226

I read of many Stuka Fliers But does anybody know of Romanian or Hungarian ones?
I read that Romanian fliers used the Hs 129 Anybody know
their names?

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From TOCH!:

jim walker
Rumanian Stuka fliers
Sun Mar 17 20:02:16 2002
12.7.2.80

There is a book devoted to this:
Romanian Black Hussars: by Roba, Jean-Louis and Cristian Craciunoiu
Grupul 3 Picaj. Bucharest: Modelism International, 1998
and a new website and discussion group. Check out
http://pages.sprint.ca/denes/Main_Index.html
and
http://disc.server.com/Indices/181285.html

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From TOCH!:

George Punka
Hungarian Stukas
Mon Mar 18 18:24:50 2002
195.70.51.130

Dear John,

There is two books:

Squadron/Signal- George Punka: Hungarian Air Force
Crowood Aviation Series - Peter C. Smith: Junkers Ju 87 Stuka (Appendix V)
More informations directly from me.

George

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

David P. Williams
Stuka Losses in North Africa
Sun May 26 21:42:09 2002
195.92.168.173

Can anyone suggest books, or sources where I can access information concerning the exact dispositions and losses of the Stuka Geschwader ( St.G1,2 and 3) in the Desert campaign between February 1941 and May 1943. I would also be interested in any books available on the market that detail the histories of these particular Geschwader.

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From TOCH!:

Jim P.
Re: Stuka Losses in North Africa
Mon May 27 00:52:13 2002
209.237.197.162

Unfortunately no such unit historys of these units exist (yet). "Fighters Over the Desert" and "Fighters Over Tunisia" are probably the best available. Of course there are the General Quartermaster loss reports. Two other books that may be of interest are those by pilots Helmut Mahlke (St.G. 1) and Werner Zirus (Schl.G. 2). Unfortunately I don't remember the title of either.

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From TOCH!:

Rabe Anton
SG 2 Immelmann
Tue May 28 19:29:17 2002
198.26.120.13

For SG 2 there is Holger Nauroth's SG 2 Immelmann, now about 20 years old and more or less a Bildband with supplemental text. Unfortunately it lacks the data that Mr Williams is seeking.

To the LwGQM which Jim Perry has already mentioned should be added ULTRA: Main Series of Signals Conveying Intelligence, etc., from which some snippets might be gleaned.

RA

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From TOCH!:

Dick Powers
87 Books
Tue May 28 16:08:32 2002
63.150.97.2

Manfred Greihl's Stuka book, which is available in English, discusses Stuka usage by each unit flying the Ju 87. The unit histories are only summaries, but the genaral outline is complete.

This book is one of the better aircraft histories.

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From TOCH!:

David P. Williams
Thank you all gentlemen
Wed May 29 10:40:30 2002
195.92.168.165

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From within a thread on favorite books on 12 O'Clock High!:

Dick Powers
Books
Tue Jun 18 05:38:43 2002
152.163.204.187

As far as aircraft histories goes, my vote is for Martin Pegg's "HS-129 Panzerjaeger". THe subject has not been covered in any depth previously, the history is complete with airframe development, weapons development, service usage and goverage of campuflage and markings. (After all camouflage and markings are part and parcel of an aircraft's history). All wrapped in a beautiful package.

Second place would be Manfred Griehl's "Junkers Ju 87 Stuka. A much cevered subject, given complete treatment with lots of new data. Design history, service usage, production history. A very nice book

For Luftwaffe history, I'd recommend Joel Hayward's "Stopped at Stalingrad". A real history, noting what made the Luftwaffe click when things were going well and why things went wrong. Anyone with an interest in the Luftwaffe's downfall, east front or west front would benefit by reading this book. Several times.

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From further within the thread on TOCH!:

indianer
Thx, Jim, Dick..
Tue Jun 18 07:26:28 2002
202.52.251.9


Jim P.: Upto Band III published till now, is it..?...Any idea when he will be getting up to Barbarossa etc...?
Also, *any* chance of an English edition...(I know they are slim, but...)

Dick : Is the Griehl book you're referring to Airlife publication 2001 ?

Regds,

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From TOCH!:

Dick Powers
Ju 87
Tue Jun 18 13:44:26 2002
205.188.192.34

Yes, it's published by Airlife.

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

mike marecki
sharkmouth ju-87
Thu Jul 18 23:44:20 2002
172.158.161.189

can anyone point me towards where i can find a good artist rendering or actual photo of the JU-87with the sharkmouth nose, I believe it was a B model used in 1941.
THANKS,
MIKE

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From TOCH!:

Don Pearson
Re: sharkmouth ju-87
Fri Jul 19 01:01:18 2002
68.38.172.172

A color photo of this aircraft appears in "Warplanes of the Luftwaffe", edited by David Donald (ISBN 1-880588-10-2).

Don

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

Chris Lawrence
Rudel and the Ju-87 G-1 at Kursk
Fri Aug 23 15:30:51 2002
64.12.96.237

Rudel claims in his book that sometime early in the Kursk battle (probably 6-8 July)he took a Ju-87 G-1 (with 37mm cannons) and went out and shot 12 tanks on one day.

1) Is there any supporting evidence for this claim?

2) Is there any supporting evidence that he had a Ju-87 G-1 available at this time?

3) Is there any supporting evidence that any other Ju-87 G-1s flew in support of the German offensive efforts in the southern part of the battle of Kursk in July, or that Rudel flew any more missions with the Ju-87 G-1 (which he states was damaged)?

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From TOCH!:

Jason Long
Rudel at Kursk
Fri Aug 23 22:16:45 2002
68.20.182.11

Chris,
Manfred Griehl's Stuka book says that the G-1 had completed its testing by May 43.

"On 18 March 1943 the first tank-hunting operation with the G-1 production prototype took place, albeit only experimentally. Within a short time a second machine was added which, after the completion of testing at Bryansk (Luftwaffen Command East area) in May 43, was transferred, together with the first one, by Hans-Ulrich Rudel to the forward airstrip Kerch 4 in the Crimea."
"With StG 2 'Immelman' tank hunting operations were first flown with the Ju 87G-1 in the Belgorod-Charkov area on 5 July 1943 in the central sector of the eastern front"
Griehl then goes on to quote from Rudel which makes the previous sentence a little suspect. However it seems clear that Rudel _could_ have flown a Panzerknacker during Kursk.

Jason

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From TOCH!:

Chris Lawrence
Well......
Fri Aug 23 22:43:44 2002
152.163.195.184

Hey Jason,

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That really doesn't get it to Kursk. According to Rudel, he was transferred back to III/StG 2 in May.

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What is his source for this? There is no question that StG 2 was flying on the 5th, but the strength listings provided by Micheal Holm indicates that it has no Ju-87 G-1s.

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Exactly. This is why I'm fishing around for independent confirmation.

Jason, have you seen the discussion on the The Dupuy Institute website?

Chris

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From TOCH!:

Jason
Griehl's Stuka book
Sun Aug 25 01:28:14 2002
68.20.179.167

Chris,
Griehl doesn't give any sources. One more annoying thing about a book full of them. It occurs to me that the aircraft might not have been formally transferred to StG 2, but retained by the testing organization, at least on paper. But who knows?
I haven't been to the TDI website in several months, I'll cruise on over there sometime this weekend.

Jason

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From TOCH!:

Chris Lawrence
No sources?
Sun Aug 25 14:50:14 2002
64.12.96.236

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Its a widely accepted story, so he probably didn't feel the need to.

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Could be....Rudel claims he took one with him from the test organization after he transferred back to III/StG 2 in May....so it is not like the aircraft status reports disprove his story. Still.....other than Seidemann's claim (made in 1947) that that there was a tank busting squadron of Stukas, I have not been able to find anything else to support Rudel's claims. So we have one peice of evidence showing no Ju-87 G-1s with Rudel, and one claim that he had a whole squadron with him, while Rudel claims he had one plane.

Is this a story that has been "validated by repetition"?

Chris

[Richard T Eger]

The Large Scale Plane site by Brad Hagen, Chris Sherland, and Jerome Braure, originally founded by Saso Knez as Aircraft Modeling in 1/32nd Scale in Feb. 1999, contains far more valuable resources than its name would suggest. Obviously an extremely popular site, the hit count is in excess of 250,000. Perhaps its most valuable assets for the Luftwaffe researcher are the book reviews and Charles Metz' cross referencing of sources of information to specific aircraft details. Thus, if you want to know what a specific widget on a Bf 109E looked like, Charles might have the book identified, along with the page, as to where that information can be found. The site address is:

http://kithobbyist.com/largescaleplanes/index.html

Sections of Luftwaffe interest are:

What's new - The usual news of additions to the site in reverse chronological order.

Articles - In general, the articles cover presentations on model building, broken into sub-sections by era and type. One section, however, Full Scale, covers museum visits:

Smithsonian Air and Space Museum, by Chris Sherland

Bf 109G6 - 1 color photo

History of Bournemouth (Hurn) Airport, by Vernon Rabbetts - Includes development of H2S airborne radar.

A day with JG-72 "Westfalen" in Hopsten AB, by Dr. Menelaos Skourtopoulos - Article on a visit in Aug. 1999. Brief comments on history of the base are given.

Reviews - A number of book reviews by Mark Proulx are given in the Books - World War 2 Aviation section:

Classic Publications "Luftwaffe Colours, Battle of Britian; August-September 1940"

Classic Publications "Sturmstaffel 1"

Eagle Editions "Doras of the Galland Circus"

Eagle Editions "Major Hans "Assi" Hahn"

Eagle Editions "The Story of the ultra-rare Fw 190 D-13"

Wings of the Black Cross, Number 1

Previews - Previews of upcoming book reviews:

Major Hans "Assi" Hahn The Man and His Machines, by Mark Proulx

AeroMaster 32-008: Bf 109F-2, by Charles Metz

AeroMaster 32-009: Early Eastern Gustav Aces, by Charles Metz

AeroMaster 32-010: Bf 109F-2, by Charles Metz

Eagle Strike Productions 320340: Bf 109 Emil Aces at War, by Charles Metz

Eagle Strike Productions 320341: Bf 109F-2 & Bf 109F-4, by Charles Metz

Eagle Strike Productions 320342: Bf 109F-2 & Bf 109F-4, by Charles Metz

Eagle Strike Productions 320343: Augsburg's Flyers, Part VIII, by Charles Metz

Eagle Strike Productions 320344: Augsburg's Flyers, Part IX, by Charles Metz

Reference Material - Lists of books on specific subjects prepared by Charles Metz. Charles takes considerable effort to note what specific details are in each reference:

World War 2 Aviation

Bf 109 V21 and Bf 109 X

Bf 109 E detail references

Bf 109 F detail references

Bf 109 G detail references

Bf 109 K detail references

Bf 110 C, D and E detail references

Bf 110 cockpit detail references

Bf 110 G detail references (Bf 110 G-4 unless otherwise noted)

Bu 181 Bestmann

Fieseler Fi 156 Storch detail references

Fw 190 A detail references

Fw 190 D detail references

Ju 87 B/R detail references

Ju 87 G (and D) cockpit detail

Me 163 B detail references

Me 262 detail references (Me 262 A unless otherwise noted)

Message Board - Some information available on the real thing.

Regards,
Richard