Books on Luftwaffe flying schools

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Andreas Brekken
Karl Ries on pilot schools, reviews please!
Tue Dec 5 10:08:08 2000


Hi, all.

I have been wondering about buying the book called "Deutsche Flugzeugführerschulen und ihre Maschinen" by Karl Ries. It is a new, redone issue of an old book

Is it worth the money (only DM 29,80....)? Or should I spend a bunch (approx DM 200,-) on the duo by Carlsen&Meyer??

Regards,

Andreas Brekken

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Knut Larsson
Books Luftwaffe
Tue Dec 5 12:20:57 2000


Hey


Are you interested in more than photos on this subject, then go for Carlsen/Meyer.

Although this one has much more text about the unis with their bases and CO`s, mostly photos here too.


regards

Knut

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Andreas Brekken
As You know, I am interested in more than photos... (n/t)
Tue Dec 5 12:45:39 2000

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Alexander W. Hohl
Re: As You know, I am interested in more than photos... (n/
Tue Dec 5 19:23:27 2000


Andreas,

then is the book 'Von der Fliegerschule zum Einsatzverband' by M. Meyer und P. Stipdonk published by FLUGZEUG Publication. But hurry, hurry this book will be sold
out.
There are many pictures and some of captured aircrafts in these kind of schools.


Alex

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Knut Larsson
Books
Tue Dec 5 20:08:56 2000


Hi Alexander

However Carlsen has more than1.550 photos of all kind of aircrafts !!!!
Difficult to beat on the facinating subject - Training

If anybody is interested in colourprofiles, (77) try
Ketley/Rolfe, also a very good book I can recommend regarding training.

By the way we have bought more than 800 Luftwaffe books (many with german text) since 1960.

regards

Knut Larsson
RAF/Luftwaffe Nordic

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Sergio Luis dos Santos
Re: Karl Ries on pilot schools, reviews please!
Tue Dec 5 14:08:16 2000


Andreas, I have the Karl Ries book. Since books on luftwaffe schools are seldom done, I have the opinion that it´s interesting in getting all available ones. Also to mention
the Hikoki´s book too.

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Charles Metz
Books on Luftwaffe flying schools
Wed Dec 6 20:17:27 2000


Andreas,

For whatever it may be worth, here's the information in my database concerning the three books you mentioned and several others recommended on this thread.

Charles Metz

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Carlsen and Meyer: 'Die Flugzeugführer — Ausbildung der Deutschen Luftwaffe 1935-1945, Band I' (VDM Heinz Nickel [Germany], 1998; in German; 496 pages; US$64.95) -- AIRCRAFT TYPES INCLUDED: Albatros L 68, Albatros L 75A (Focke-Wulf Al L 75A), Albatros L 78, Al 101 (Albatros L 101, Focke-Wulf Al L 101), Arado SC I, Ar 64, Ar 65, Ar 65F, Ar 66, Ar 68, Ar 68E, Ar 68F, Ar 76, Ar 96B, Ar 197, BFW D 12a, Bf 108B, Bf 110D, Bu 131, Bu 133, Bu 181, Daimler D 20 BI, DFW Mars, Dietrich DP II, Dietrich DS I, DLFW D.VIIIa, Do 11, Do 17M, Do 17P, Do 17Z, Do 18D, Do 23, Do 23, Do 217E, Fieseler F5R, Fw 44, Fw 44D, Fw 44E, Fw 44F, Fw 44J, Fw 56, Fw 58, Gerner G II, Go 145, Grunau Baby sailplane, Ha 135 V1, Ha 135 V2, Heinkel HD 22, He 42, He 45, He 45D, He 46, He 50, He 51, He 60A, He 60D, He 70, He 72, He 72C, He 111B, He 111E, He 111P, He 114, He 177A, Hs 123A, Hs 129B, I-153, Ju 52/3m, Ju 86E, Ju 86G, Ju 87A-1, Ju 88A-5, Ju 88A-7, Junkers F 13, Junkers F 13 die, Junkers W 33, Junkers W 34, Junkers W 34 hau, Junkers W 34 hi, Kl 25d, Kl 25e, Kl 32, Kl 35, Kl 35B, Kranich sailplane, Messerschmitt M 18b, Mimoa sailplane, Si 204A, Si 204D, Udet U 12; FOREIGN AIRCRAFT: Aero 101, Aero Sport S I, Avia B.534 (Bk.534), Avia Fl.3, Bloch 200 (B.200), Bloch MB.151, Caproni Ca.113, Caudron C.18, Caudron C.445, Fokker D.VII, Fokker G-1, Fokkr F.IX, Letov S.328, MS.230, North American NA 64, Praga E.39, Praga E.241, PZL-11, Raka Kl Ic, Raka Rk IIb, Ro.41, Tiger Moth (in German civil markings), Zlin Z.XII; COCKPIT DETAIL: Ar 96B (p. 200), Caudron C.445 (p. 256), Fw 56 (p. 302), Fw 58 (p. 155, 455), He 111P-3 (p. 429), Junkers F 13 die (p. 90), Junkers W 34 hi (p. 335), Ju 52/3m (p. 396), Si 204D (p. 382-384); MISCELLANEOUS DETAIL: Avia B.534 [Bk.534] radiator (p. 235); Fw 58 engine bay (p. 477); He 50 engine & propeller (p. 349); He 114 float (p. 476); Junkers W 34 hau landing gear (p. 283), nose & propeller (p. 282, 283); Junkers W 34 hi skis (p. 320); Ju 52/3m nose (p. 404, 405), wing nacelle & engine (p. 392)

Carlsen and Meyer: 'Die Flugzeugführer — Ausbildung der Deutschen Luftwaffe 1935-1945, Band II' (VDM Heinz Nickel [Germany], 2000; in German; 576 pages; US$64.95) -- AIRCRAFT TYPES INCLUDED: Ar 65, Ar 66, Ar 68E, Ar 68F, Ar 68H, Ar 76, Ar 96B, Ar 197 V5, Ar 232B, Bf 108B, Bf 109B, Bf 109D, Bf 109E-1, Bf 109E-3, Bf 109E-4, Bf 109E-7, Bf 109F, Bf 109G-6, Bf 109G-12, Bf 109T, Bf 110B, Bf 110C, Bf 110E, Bf 110E/trop photo-recon [alias "Bf 110F"] (p. 242, 245, 249, 265), Bf 110F (p. 298), Bf 110G, Bu 131, Bu 133, BV 141A, DFS 230, Dornier J II, Dornier Wal, Do 17E, Do 17F, Do 17P, Do 17Z, Do 23, Do 217E, Do 217J, Do 217N, Fl 282B, Fw 44, Fw 56A, Fw 58B, Fw 189, Fw 190A-4, Fw 190A-2, Fw 190A-3, Fw 190A-5, Fw 190F, Fw 190S-5, Fw 200C, He 42, He 45, He 46, He 51C, He 59B, He 60, He 111H-5, He 115, He 177A, Hs 123A, Hs 126A, Hs 129B, Junkers W 34, Ju 52/3m, Ju 86E, Ju 87A, Ju 87B, Ju 87D, Ju 88A-4, Ju 88A-5, Ju 160D, Kranich sailplane, Me 262A-1a, Me 410, Si 204D; FOREIGN AIRCRAFT: Avia B.534, Bloch 152 (MB.152), Curtiss Hawk 75A, Dewoitine D.520, Fiat CR.42, Fiat G.50, Fokker G.1, Macci MC.202, Moraine-Saulnier MS.406, North American NA 57, North American NA 64, North American NA 84(?), Potez 63, Tipsy S.2, Vought V-85-G; COCKPIT DETAIL: Bf 109D (p. 69), Do 17F (p. 514); MISCELLANEOUS DETAIL: Bf 108B canopy (p. 355); DFS 230 canopy (p. 551); Fw 200C portside door (p. 448); SPECIFIC MARKING PROFILES: [PHOTO of Galland's Bf 109E-4 (p. 181), Graf's Fw 190A-4 (p. 204, 205)]

Ketley and Rolfe: 'Luftwaffe Fledglings 1935-1945: Luftwaffe Traing Units & their Aircraft' (Hikoki [UK], 1996; 88 pages; US$23.95) -- AIRCRAFT TYPES INCLUDED: Ar 66, Bu 131, Bu 133, Bu

[Richard T Eger]

From within a thread on 12 O'Clock High!:

Lars Sundin
Re: WW.II Era Albatros Aircraft
Sun Dec 30 17:15:04 2001


In the book by Michael Meyer and Paul Stipdonk titled "Flugzeug-Dokumentation, von der Fliegerschule zum Einsatzverband", is on page 36 to be seen an Albatros AL 101 coded SE + LG with an Argus 100 hp AS 8a engine on an airfield in East Preussia. It is characterized as a "mühe Krähe" (tired crow). The picture was taken in 1940 or 1941.

AL 101 was a parasol-winged aircraft.

Lars S

[Richard T Eger]

From the Hikoki Publications website ( http://www.hikokiwarplanes.com/fledglings.htm ):

"Luftwaffe Fledglings
Barry Ketley & Mark Rolfe

Synopsis

Almost totally neglected by historians and enthusiasts, yet a fundamentally vital component of the Luftwaffe, the story of the aircrew training schools and units and their aircraft is told for the first time in English. How they operated, where they operated and how, by mismanaging the training system, the Luftwaffe helped to destroy itself. Extracts from Luftwaffe pilot's logbooks; charts and tables list unit histories, aircraft types used, locations etc. Colour paintings illustrate markings and camouflage schemes of nearly 60 different types of aircraft. Several rare aircraft types in 1/72nd scale three-views, complete with cockpit interiors, all in full colour. 99 training unit badges shown in full colour.

Sbk, 297x210 mm, 92 pp inc 20 pages of colour drawings, 100 b/w photos

ISBN 0 9519899 2 8

£14.95"

Regards,
Richard

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

Michi
?_Difference between Schul-unit and Ergänzungs-unit??
Thu Aug 22 21:08:55 2002
140.78.3.1

A ground-attack pilot("Schlachtflieger), after finishing his FFS (A/B/C), what is his next unit?

A Schul-unit (like Geschwader with the number 10X [SG101, SG 102, SG 103, SG 104]),
or
an Ergänzungs-unit (like Geschwader with the number 15X [SG 151, SG 152])??

What is the difference between Schul-units and Ergänzungs-units.
Which things does a pilot learn in a Schul-Geschwader??
Which things does a pilot learn in an Ergänzungs-Geschwader??


MfG Michi

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From TOCH!:

Wolfgang Dehke
Re: ?_Difference between Schul-unit and Ergänzungs-unit??
Fri Aug 23 14:20:34 2002
212.125.48.12

Hi Michi,
there is a differnece between Schul- and Ergänzungsunits: In Schulunits like the A/B or C- schools, elematary things like flying were trained. In Ergänzungsunits, the knowledge of combatcrews was given to the pilots/etc. Especially the Erg.Gruppen have to school the crews to fly like in the kampfgruppen. For further informations take a look into the two books of Michael Meyer and Sven Carlsen.
Regards
Wolfgang

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Michi
Danke!
Fri Aug 23 18:23:05 2002
140.78.3.1

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

indianer
Feedback on Stipdonk/Meyer and Held/Obermaier books...
Thu Sep 12 07:36:55 2002
202.52.251.9

Hi,
Any comments on the following books (by Schiffer) ?

Paul Stipdonk/Michael Meyer - "The Luftwaffe : from the training school to the front"
Werner Held/Ernest Obermaier - "The Luftwaffe over North Africa and Mediterranean, 1941-43"
Both are supposed to be photo chronicles - are the images mostly unpublished and what are the production qualities of the books overall ?
Thanks, ahead of time,

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Larry Hickey
Books
Thu Sep 12 13:49:24 2002
12.253.95.180

Indianer,

Both of these are translations to English of books that have previously appeared in German. Thus, none of the photos are previously unpublished, unless you don't have the German versions of the books, which are basically photo histories of the subjects.

Larry

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indianer
Re: Books
Thu Sep 12 17:33:32 2002
202.52.251.9

Hi Larry,
Actually no, I don't have the german-language versions of these books. Perhaps I should rephrase my query : are the images in these books unpublished in other english-language sources ?

TIA,

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From 12 O'Clock High!:

Frank
Flieger-Technische-Schulen
Sun Sep 29 14:43:50 2002
149.225.18.186

I am looking for information about the Flieger Technischen Schulen of the Luftwaffe. Michael Holm lists up No. 1-9 on his homepage and provides some dates & places. Is there any further literature about these schools?
Especially I am looking for the history of the "Flieger Technische Schule 4".
Any suggestions?
Frank

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Stevin
stevin@basher82.nl
Fliegerschule 4
Mon Sep 30 07:21:42 2002
143.177.7.4

I have a book about Fliegerschule 4 which dates pre-war or early war. Am at work right now but e-mail me if you want more info (on this book).

Stevin

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From within a thread on 12 O'Clock High!:

Bob Rinder
Karl Ries Books
Mon Oct 7 20:49:55 2002
198.81.27.10



Didn't see one in the "Rote 13" books either, but there is one showing a Fokker G-1 from FFS (C) 8 on pg 191 of his "Deutsche Flugzeugfurherschulen und irhe Maschinen".

BR