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Richard T Eger 04-09-2004 01:14 PM

IWM microfilms of aircraft loss records of the Luftwaffe Gen.Qu.M. 6. Abt. - 23
 
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Voldemar
Bf-109F-2, WNr.5750, rote 11+
Mon Mar 29, 2004 15:45
194.44.246.250

Hi!
I saw the photo on the Internet of crashed Bf-109F-2, WNr.5750, rote 11+, II./JG3, what happened with it? Why this plane crashed (as wrote on photo) in Fl.Pl. Hostynne?
With the best wishes.

Richard T Eger 04-09-2004 01:17 PM

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Jim P.
Re: Bf-109F-2, WNr.5750, rote 11+
Mon Mar 29, 2004 20:56
64.223.199.2

Bf 109F-2 5750 II. JG 3 26-Jun-41 Bruchlandung due to severe ground conditions. Ostfront Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.5; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, VI.1, p.118; Prien/Stemmer, II./JG 3, p.400 Hostynne 30% H

Richard T Eger 04-09-2004 01:18 PM

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Voldemar
Thank you!!!
Mon Mar 29, 2004 21:41
194.44.246.250


With the best wishes.

Richard T Eger 04-19-2004 12:29 PM

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gene cloud
Werner Baumbach
Fri Apr 9, 2004 20:31
155.201.35.52

This is probably a mystery of life question....but does anyone have any information on any of the Ju88s he flew? I have a reference for 'A6 + HH', with all the kill marks on the tail. But I remember reading somewhere that this was not his plane. Any idea on the markings of any of Baumbach's Ju 88s and if not 'A6 + HH', who flew it? Thanks.

Richard T Eger 04-19-2004 12:30 PM

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Jim P.
Re: Werner Baumbach
Fri Apr 9, 2004 20:44
64.223.199.2

Ju 88D-1 1067 ORLOWSKI, Hptm. Helmuth (F)/HEIDENREICH, Oblt. Fritz (B) 1.(F) 120 schwarz A6+HH 14 ship kills on fin & rudder; very worn finish muted fuselage cross & ship kills RK Norway Meyer & Stipdonk, Von der Fliegerschule zum Einsatzverband p81 foto; Sq/Signal JuÊ88 book Stavanger-Sola

Ju 88D-1 1067 1.(F) 120 A6+HH 07-Jan-42 Bombenwurf. Norwegen Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #4)-Vol.7 Fl.Pl. Stavenger-Forus 100% F

Richard T Eger 04-28-2004 12:26 PM

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gene cloud
Johannes Geismann's & another's Ju 88A-4
Sun Apr 18, 2004 23:06
68.82.167.115

Any information on the codes and camouflage of Geismann's Ju 88A-4 he flew with Stab I/KG 77 in 1941 Medeterranean theatre. I have seen a color profile of 3Z + D [white with blue rule in center] B with a bunch of ship kills on the fin. Also any info on a 3Z + H [white] R? I believe it may have been flown by a RK pilot. Thanks.

Richard T Eger 04-28-2004 12:27 PM

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Jim P.
Not Stab!! And tell me more about 3Z+HR???
Tue Apr 20, 2004 15:58
64.223.199.2

Ju 88A-4 141016 GEISMANN, Ltn. Johannes 98,000BRT in Med I. KG 77 wei§ 3Z+DH ship kills & 1 aerial vic on rudder; badge on rudder RK Mittelmeer Ries Rudder; LW im Afrika Feldzug p178 fotos; Nowarra Ju 88 Tamiya Magazine foto
Ju 88A-4 141016 III. KG 77 21-Mar-43 Take-off accident. GEISMANN's old plane. Mittelmeer Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #9)-Vol.15 Gerbini 60% F

Richard T Eger 05-04-2004 12:59 PM

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steve sheridan
KG51 LOSSES 7.4.41
Sat Apr 24, 2004 01:33
80.41.56.44

Hi,does anybody have any information regarding KG51 losses on 7.4.41 in the Balkans. I understand KG51 lost several a/c on this date.
any help would be most appreciated.
Regards,
Steve.

Richard T Eger 05-04-2004 01:00 PM

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G.R.Morrison
KG 51 Ju 88A-5s lost 7.April 1941
Sat Apr 24, 2004 03:19
4.233.158.178

Here are five Ju 88A-5s of the KG 51 lost on 7.April 1941:

WNr.3365 of 2./KG 51, coded 9K+MK, Lost on mission to Belgrad, pilot and two others returned, Ofw. Johann Gerritzen KIA, probably by Yugoslav fighters.

WNr.5113 of II/KG 51, 80% damaged in an emergency landing at Recita, Romania; Fw. Richtsteiger killed.

WNr.6224 of III/KG 51, Lt. Teichmann injured in an emergency landing at Arad, Romania; 1 other killed, another injured.

WNr.7203 of 1./KG 51, coded 9K+KH, Lost, probably to Yugoslav fighters on mission to Belgrad, Uffz. Schmitt & crew returned.

WNr.8204 of 3./KG 51, coded 9K+GL; Lt. Hans-Jürgen Krüger and crew killed, probably by Yugoslav fighters on mission to Belgrad.

Reference: Gen.Qu.6.Abt. reports

You may also wish to consult Shores' _Air War for Yugoslavia, Greece and Crete_

GRM

Richard T Eger 05-04-2004 01:00 PM

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steve sheridan
KG51 LOSSES 7.4.41
Sat Apr 24, 2004 15:06
80.41.10.226

Hi,
Thanks ever so much for that info, I did have some info from Shores Air War For Yugoslavia,Greece and Crete book,
but no record of Werknummers and little info. regarding crew and fates.
Could i trouble you once more! Do you have similar info on the three JU88'S Lost by KG51 ON 6.4.41, the day earlier.
Regards,
Steve.

Richard T Eger 05-04-2004 01:01 PM

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G.R.Morrison
Four more from 6.April 41
Sun Apr 25, 2004 19:17
4.233.173.7

Ju 88A-5s of I/KG 51, 6.April 1941

WNr.3070, Ofw. Pfeilschiffer (Beobachter); Bruchlandung at Wiener Neustadt, Austria due to pilot error, 30% damaged

WNr.3133, Luftkampf with enemy fighters, Belgrad, 20% damaged

WNr.8188, Luftkampf with enemy fighters, Belgrad, 35% damaged

WNr.8172, Enemy fire, Belgrad, 60% damaged

Ref. - Gen.Qu.6.Abt. - Vol.4; Kennung and Staffel assignments unknown to me.

Richard T Eger 05-04-2004 01:01 PM

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steve sheridan
KG51 LOSSES 6.4.41
Sun Apr 25, 2004 22:05
80.41.11.100

Hi,Mr Morrison,
Thanks ever so much for the info. reg. KG51 losses, im very grateful.
How fortunate are you to have access to the Gen.Qu 6 Abt loss returns! I would love to get hold of these. Many thanks.
Regards,
Steve.

Richard T Eger 05-06-2004 11:30 AM

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G.R.Morrison
FW 190A-4 WNr.2294 of 9./JG 2
Sun Apr 25, 2004 21:42
4.233.179.11

Perhaps this is a match?

FW 190A-4 WNr.2294 of 9./JG 2
Uffz. Wilhelm Günther, killed 9.Dec. 1942 in the crash, probably after running out of fuel, near Cosquerc near Vannes, non-combat flight.

Ref. - Gen.Qu.6Abt. Vol.12

Richard T Eger 06-03-2004 01:58 PM

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Jim P.
Would nice if I actually added something:
Mon May 24, 2004 21:12
64.223.199.2

Ju 88A-4 3708 KRALEMANN, Ofw. Friedrich 5. KG 3 5K+AN 01-Jul-42 Reported lost, cause unknown. Crew returned. RK Ostfront Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9 (Bologoje-Moskau) 100% F

Richard T Eger 06-10-2004 11:52 AM

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steve sheridan
stevensheridan@tiscali.co.uk
Oblt Egon Troha Help!
Sun May 30, 2004 02:54
80.41.54.136


Hi Guys,
Can anybody help me, with information regarding aircraft
flown by Oblt Egon Troha during the Battle of Britain.
Im aware of the machine he flew whilst with III/JG3 as Gruppe Adjutant, marked with the winkel and three Gruppe bar, and named Grace! I believe he flew this bird until early August 1940.
I have no other information about what aircraft he flew until, he forced landed and became a P.O.W on 29.10.40 whilst serving as Staffel Kapitan of 9/JG3.
On this occassion he was flying Yellow 5+I w.nr 5153 a ME109E-4
Several sources have written in the past that this particular " Emil" was not his aircraft, and merely borrowed.

Does anybody have any reference as to what aircraft he had during August to Late October, and who Yellow 5+I may have belonged to.
Regards,
Steve.

Richard T Eger 06-10-2004 11:53 AM

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Kevin Troha
Oblt Troha
Sun May 30, 2004 03:17
65.26.25.205

Hi Steve,
What information you have about Troha is correct. "yellow 5" was not his regular machine at that time. Normally he flew "yellow 13" (w.nr.????) but that airplane had damage. A .303 round had smashed into the instrument panel a few days before. The day he was shot down he flew the spare "yellow 5" which was originally the machine of Oblt. Achleitner. BTW... Achleitner was shot down on 24.8.40 while flying a spare airplane too.

I have met with Troha twice and have corresponded with him for several years. We became acquainted because of my interest in Battle of Britain history and also because of our common names (no relation).

I will send you a text file of Egon's war experiences and it should answer all your questions about Troha.

Regard,
Kevin Troha

Richard T Eger 06-10-2004 11:54 AM

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Jim P.
Another Troha loss...
Mon May 31, 2004 03:25
67.242.219.72

Bf 109E-4 3237 Troha, Oblt. Egon 6 7. JG 3 wei§e 12 + | 01-Sep-40 Stfhr. Bruchlandung after Luftkampf. Hit in instrument panel caused propellor and engine damage. Other sources say III./JG 53, but Troha describes incident and details exactly as reported. Kanal Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IV.2, p.271; Letter from Troha; Prien, JG 53, I (2nd), p.198; Mason, p.338; BoB, T&N, p.614. Desvres near Boulogne 100% F

Richard T Eger 06-11-2004 10:57 AM

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Andrew Arthy
Loss of FW 190 A-5 W.Nr 2535
Tue Jun 1, 2004 04:46
129.180.1.124

Does anyone have information about the loss of FW 190 A-5 W.Nr 2535? The aircraft was apparently from III./K.G. 101. The loss would have occrred around 2 June 1943.

I'm interested in other FW 190 losses for this Gruppe in late-May/early-June 1943.

TIA

Cheers,
Andrew A.

Richard T Eger 06-11-2004 10:58 AM

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Jim P.
Re: Loss of FW 190 A-5 W.Nr 2535
Tue Jun 1, 2004 14:54
64.223.199.2

Fw190A-5 2535 Kurth, Uffz. Karl-Heinz 1. JG 2 15-Jun-43 WIA in Luftkampf. Notlandung. Loss report says WNr. 2355. Kanal Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #10)-Vol.18; Ring, JG 2 loss list, p.12 Fl.Pl. Bernay 30% F

Richard T Eger 06-11-2004 10:59 AM

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Andrew Arthy
Re: Loss of FW 190 A-5 W.Nr 2535
Wed Jun 2, 2004 16:01
129.180.1.144

Hi Jim,

Thanks for this loss, but it doesn't seem to be 'my' aircraft. The loss report is probably correct that Uffz. Kurth was flying W.Nr 2355, rather than W.Nr 2535.

My source is an ULTRA signal from 3 June 1943, and in summary it says:

Return from III./K.G. 101 includes 1 FW 190 crashed. Return includes note that FW 190 A-5 W.Nr 2535 (5T + DR) was given as off strength on 02.06.43 for the second time.

In a signal from a day later, it notes that two FW 190s of III./K.G. 101 had suffered ten per cent damage in crashes, one FW 190 had received five per cent damage in a crash, and one FW 190 had crashed and suffered an unknown amount of damage. One FW 190 had been ferried to a detachment at St. Andrea for repair, and another had landed at an airfield called Beau's [or something similar to this].

An earlier signal from 29 May 1943 noted that one III./K.G. 101 FW 190 had crashed.

If anyone has some more information about this unit's FW 190s, particularly loss data, I'd like to hear from them.

Cheers,
Andrew A.


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