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Old 07-05-2002, 05:50 PM
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Dénes Bernád
When were the small size unit codes introduced?
Tue Jun 4 21:12:31 2002
204.101.53.233

I would particularly be interested to know if the unit code (2Z) worn by Bf 110s of the IV./NJG 6 stationed in the Balkans in July/August 1943 was 'regular' or small size? Also, the airplane's individual letters were coloured or black?
The photo I based my instructions on shows a Bf 110F of IV./NJG 6 captured by the Soviets on Otopeni airfield, near Bucharest, in August 1944. It shows small unit code and large black individual letter.

Best source would be dated period photos, but I don't have any Nachtjagd books in my library.

I need this for a colour profile, which I would like to be as accurate as possible.

Thanks.

Dénes
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Scott Fraser
Re: When were the small size unit codes introduced?
Thu Jun 6 07:41:55 2002
24.64.253.144

No one else seems to want to reply, so I will.

To the best of my knowledge, smaller Geschwader codes (usually 1/5 size) appeared in the first months of 1943. I'm fairly sure that by mid-summer, all the aircraft of NJG 6 would be so marked. Photos of nightfighters are few and far between, but there are clear photos of Bf-110s from NJG 1 and NJG 3 during this period with the small codes. There is one photo of Bf-110G-4 (W.Nr.5547 2Z+OP) from 6./NJG 6 taken late in 1943 (with snow on the ground) that shows small codes with the aircraft letter as black. I believe it was relatively rare for nightfighters to have coloured aircraft letters. HTH.
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Andy
Unit Identification number: G9
Sat Jul 20 19:42:14 2002
195.92.67.70

I am reading Dr Alfred Price's work entitled, 'The Luftwaffe Data Book'. This book has a chapter on unit identification markings carried by aircraft (page 265). It mentions that the pre-fix G9 was carried by ZG1 then NJG1 and finally by NJG4. Does anyone know why NJG1 gave this pre-fix up for NJG4 and more importantly for me, when did this happen ? I am researching a photograph of aircrew standing in front of a black painted JU88 and the pre-fix appears to be G9. The photograph is dated April - May 1943. The lettering, G9, is very small and not the large type. Did nightfighters usually have the identification numbers in small type or is this unusual ?

If anyone can answer any or all of these questions I would be very grateful.

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John Vasco
Code 'G9'
Sun Jul 21 12:41:08 2002
195.92.194.12

Forget G9 for ZG 1. No aircraft of the unit ever carried that code. The fault goes back in the mists of time when 'S9' on a photo was mis-identified as 'G9', and has since been perpetuated by some manufacturers of plastic kits.

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George Hopp
Unit identifiers
Sun Jul 21 18:24:22 2002
134.117.137.145

The unit identifiers went from full-size to small (about 6" in height) on or about 1 Jan 1943.

There should be documentation on the change, but so far it seems that no one has found it. And, this changed for ALL aircraft carrying unit codes, and not just for night fighters.

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John Manrho
NJG 4
Sun Jul 21 19:43:54 2002
213.75.78.223

NJG 1 always used the code G9. It never was taken over by NJG 4 which used 3C. Only one loss of NJG 4 is known which carried G9. This was a Ju 88 of I. Gruppe lost on 15.12.1944. The crew must have flown a NJG 1 a/c or the a/c was transferred to NJG 4 and not repainted yet.
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Erich Brown
code......
Thu Jul 25 23:38:21 2002
63.164.164.159

Gentlemen :

Can anyone plese inform me of the Ju 88 unit that carried the code : T5 ?

thank you

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Tony Kearns
Code
Fri Jul 26 01:29:37 2002
159.134.228.36

Erich,
According to Barry C Rosch book it was Aufkl.Gr(F)Ob.d.L later Aufkl.Gr100
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Jim P.
Aufkl.Gr. 100 & Aufkl.Gr. Ob.d.L. n/t
Fri Jul 26 01:31:26 2002
209.237.193.3
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Graham Boak
Not just 88s
Fri Jul 26 10:20:50 2002
20.138.254.2

This unit carried out strategic reconnaissance of countries that Germany was at war with, or not at war with.... you will find the code on a number of advanced types such as Do.17S in 1939/40, Ju.86P/R, Ar.240A... Look also for the Research Section for High Altitude Flight and Kommando Rowehl.
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Erich Brown
interesting and thanks......
Fri Jul 26 16:42:46 2002
63.164.164.137

Gentlemen :

thank you very much for your needed help. A couple of Norwegian friends have been going over two downed Ju 88's of the gruppe that have the T5+ codes and are amongst the rocks strewn over many metres.....

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Erich Brown
another code question....
Fri Jul 26 22:02:15 2002
63.164.164.164

Gentlemen :

Just been informed this morning of 4 more Ju 88 crashes in Norway. These it appears from 1.(F)/120.

Can anyone please give me the fuselage code for the gruppe ? and did the staffel have an abzeichen ?

thanks once again !

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Tony Kearns
another code question
Fri Jul 26 23:51:14 2002
159.134.230.239

Erich,
1.(F)/120 used Code A6 and yes it had a gruppe emblem, again from Barry Rosch book
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Eduardo
V/KG 2 Staffels code ?
Tue Dec 31 12:43:21 2002
200.211.125.139

I recently note that V/KG 2 give some diferent code marks
for it`s Staffels.Why (14,15 and 16) Staffels receive
respectively (E,F and J) in place of ( X,Y and Z)?
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