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Dave McDonald
190A-8 identity ??
Tue Apr 3 23:48:08 2001


Hi All

Does anyone have anything on wk.nr.739447 which has been recently registered in the U.S. by Jay Thinnes ?
Ex Luftwaffe or a Flugwerke aircraft ?

TIA

Dave
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Dave McDonald
And another .....
Wed Apr 4 12:08:57 2001


Werke nummer 173056 that has been registered to Malcolm Laing [ who is also restoring a 190A-6]


TIA

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Bruce Slasienski
Fw 190D's at Champlin Museum, USAF Museum, & Hamburg, Germany, Luftwaffe Museum
Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:25 AM

Champlin's FW-190D-13. Although Doug Champlin's Fighter Aircraft Museum has
been sold and will soon be moving to the Seattle Museum of Flight
(PF, Feb. '00), one of his 34 aircraft will remain behind at Falcon
Field in Mesa, Ariz. Excluded from the sale was the plane warbird fans
consider the crown jewel of Champlin's collection: the Focke-Wulf
FW-190D-13 (s/n 836017). Though the "Dora" is not flyable, its 12-
cylinder, 1,600-hp Junkers Jumo 213A engine is run occasionally. The
plane was one of five FW-190Ds shipped to the U.S. from France aboard
the HMS;Reaper in July 1945 for technical evaluation at Wright Field,
Ohio. In 1946, it was acquired by the Georgia Institute of Technology
in Atlanta, Ga., where it served as an instructional airframe until 1968.
From 1968 to '71, it was displayed in relatively derelict condition at a
museum in Santa Barbara, Calif. Champlin rescued it in 1972, registered
it as N190D and shipped it to [Unable to display image]Germany to be
restored. It remained in Germany until '79, then was returned to
Champlin's original museum in Enid, Okla. for final assembly. When
Champlin moved to Arizona, the 190D-13 went with him. According to the
Fighter Aircraft Museum's Bill Rummer, Champlin has been collecting
FW-190D parts for the past 20 years and wants to use them to upgrade
his Dora. He plans to replace several components fabricated new during
the first restoration with original items. The only other fully intact
Dora is the FW-190D-9 (s/n 601088) on display at the U.S. Air Force Museum
in Dayton, Ohio. It was shipped to the U.S. with Champlin's plane in 1945.
Another D-9 was recovered from Lake Schwerin in the former East Germany a
decade ago. It is being restored for static display at a Luftwaffe Museum
near Hamburg, Germany.
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From LEML:

Uli Barth
Fw 190D's at Champlin Museum, USAF Museum, & Hamburg, Germany, Luftwaffe Museum
Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:58 PM

Regarding the last mentioned Fw 190 for display in a Luftwaffe Museum near
Hamburg:

This museum is runned by the German Airforce and it moved some years ago to
Berlin and is named Luftwaffen Museum Berlin.

Uli Barth, Munich
- Germany -

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Armand J Eshleman
Fw 190D's at Champlin Museum, USAF Museum, & Hamburg, Germany, Luftwaffe Museum
Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:29 AM

Bruce,

One important thing you left out is that the D-9 the Air Force museum
has actually is fitted with the D-13 wings and the D-13 is fitted with
the D-9 wings. This mess up occurred sometime before the D-13 was sent
to Alabama. Doug Champlin is trying once more to get the museum to swap
wings so each aircraft is equipped correctly but so far this has not been
done.

Armand

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From: Armand J Eshleman
To: Luftwaffe Experten Mailing List
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 10:12 AM
Subject: [Luftwaffe Experten] - Wing swap


Hello list,
I just woke up this morning and went to Hyperscale's Plane Talking Forum and
read a posting about the Fw190D-9 at the U.S. Air Force Museum. It seems the
gentleman that was visiting saw the D-9 up on jacks and the wing was removed.
apparently the swap of wings with Doug Champlin's Fw190D-13 is about to take
place after 40 some years or so of not happening. The two airframes will finally be
correct ! Now I wish I could just get some photos of this event or even see it first
hand.
Armand
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Old 08-05-2001, 06:27 PM
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IPMS Stockholm, The International Plastic Modelers Society in Stockholm, has an excellent website featuring articles with numerous color photos and descriptions on preserved aircraft. There are also a couple of color profile articles of interest. The site address is:

http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/ipms/main.htm

Articles of interest are:

Notes about Luftwaffe colors, Jan. 1997.

Comparison of RLM color name to possible Federal Standard match.

Messerschmitt Bf-109G-6 in Detail, Apr. 1997.

Bf 109G-6 - 6 color photos, NASM, U.S.A., fall 1996.

Heinkel He 162 Volksjäger in Detail, June 1997.

He 162 - 9 color photos, IWM, ,England and 3 color photos, RAF Museum at Hendon, England

BMW 003 - 1 color photo, Planes of Fame Air Museum, Chino, California, U.S.A.

Focke-Wulf Fw 190A in Detail, July 1997.

Fw 190A-8 - 10 color photos taken at the IWM, England

2-seat Fw 190 - 2 color photos, RAF Museum at Hendon, England

Messerschmitt Bf 109E in Detail, July 1997.

Short descriptions of the E variants.

Bf 109E-4 - 15 color photos, RAF Museum at Hendon, England.

Messerschmitt Bf 110 G in Detail, July 1997.

Bf 110 G-4d/R3 - 15 color photos, RAF Museum at Hendon, England

Vintage German rocketry, V2 Missile in Detail, Dec. 1997.

V2 - 7 color photos, NASM, Washington, D.C., U.S.A.

World War II Colors in Color, May 1998.

<U>World War II German aircraft gallery</U>

Bf 109G-10 - 1 color photo
Me 410A-3 - 1 color and 1 b&w photo
Me 262A - 1 color photo
Bf 109K? or G? - 1 color photo
Bf 109G-14 - 1 color photo
Bf 109E-7/Trop - 1 color photo
Bf 109 - 1 color photo
Ju 87B - 1 color photo

<U>New and Uncommented Pictures</U>

Fw 190G - 1 color photo

Camouflage and markings of Focke-Wulf Fw 190, Dec. 1998.

Fw 190 - 8 color profiles
Ta 152 - 1 color profile

Horten IX (Gotha Go 229) in detail, Feb. 1999.

History

Ho IX V2 - 1 period b&w photo

Go 229 V3 - 1 period b&w photo

Go 229 V3 - 10 color photos, NASM Paul E. Garber Restoration Facility, Silver Hill, Maryland, U.S.A.

Messerschmitt Bf 109G-10 in Detail, Oct. 1999.

BF-109G-10, WN 611943 - 17 color photos, Planes of Fame Air Museum, Grand Canyon division, U.S.A.

Camouflage and markings of Messerschmitt Me 109, Feb. 2000.

Me 109 - 12 color profiles, with details

Messerschmitt Me 262 in Detail, Sept. 2000.

Me 262A-1a/U3, FE/T-2-4012 - history with 1 period b&w photo

Me 262A-1a/U3, FE/T-2-4012 - 12 color photos, Planes of Fame Air Museum, Chino, California, U.S.A., spring 1999.

Fieseler Fi 156 Storch in Detail, March 2001

Fi 156C - 14 color photos, Swedish Air Force museum, Linköping, Sweden.


The site also includes a message board.

Regards,
Richard

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Old 08-13-2001, 04:57 PM
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The Walter Website, by Shamus Reddin, covers the rocket motors produced by Walter and the missiles and aircraft they were used in. The site address is:

http://website.lineone.net/~skr/walter/walter.htm

Sections of interest are:

Hellmuth Walter and Walterwerke - Brief company background, with additional information on:

<U>Hellmuth Walter</U> - Background on Walter and his company, with photos.

<U>What's New</U> - Site update information.

<U>About the Walter Web Site</U>

<U>Acknowledgemants</U>

<U>References</U> - Includes references to RAE Technotes at the P.R.O. in London.

Aircraft Motors & The Me.163

<U>109-509 Rocket Motors</U> - Table listing motors and the aircraft they were used in. The title of this section is misleading, as these motors were used in the Me 163 as well as in other aircraft. Details, including text, photos, and diagrams of the engines and aircraft they were used in are presented.

Some repeated and some new details can be found in the following additional sub-sections:

<U>Messerschmitt Me.163A</U>

<U>Messerschmitt Me.163B</U>

<U>Dual Chambered Motors</U>

<U>Messerschmitt Me.163C</U>

<U>Messerschmitt Me.163D</U>

<U>Bachem Ba.349 "Natter"</U>

Missiles & Rockets - This section shows the major weapons for which Walter motors were used or developed. Four missiles/aircraft are listed:

Henshel Hs.293
Messerschmitt "Enzian"
Henshel Hs.117 "Schmetterling"
Bachem Ba.349 "Natter"

Of these, details are given for the Enzian and Natter, that for the Natter being repeated from the previous section.

Climb Assisters - The following 5 assisters are listed, but only generalized information on assisters is given:

RI-201 "Cold" Take Off Pack
RI-203 "Hot" Take Off Pack
Me.109 Climb Assister
Heimatschutzer I
Heimatschutzer IV

Motor Parts & Design - In this section, the design, construction and operation of the Walter motors is described.

<U>109-509 Motor Types</U> - Repeat of earlier table.

<U>Basic Motor Parts</U> - Nicely illustrated sub-section highlighting the different motor parts.

<U>109-509 Rocket Fuels</U> - Discusses C- and T-Stoff and the chemistry involved.

<U>Other Rocket Fuels</U> - Table describing different rocket fuels.

<U>Motor Operation</U> - Details, with photos, describing the operation of the Walter 109-509.A-1 motor in the Me 163.

There is also a link to a 3-view drawing of a Walter HWK 109-509.A-2 rocket motor which allows the reader to place the computer cursor on different parts of the engine and get a description of each part.

Preserved Motors - Table of preserved Walter rocket motors in museums around the world. Motors can be found in:

Australia
Canada
Germany
Japan
UK
USA

Background and photos are provided for many of the motors.

Regards,
Richard
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Old 09-14-2001, 01:01 AM
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mike
HE100
Fri Aug 17 21:49:36 2001


Hi Guys<
I understand that there is a he100 on static display in a Ca. museum, does any one have any further info. on the subject. I saw a recent picture of it in a Air Classics Mag. Thanks,
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Ronnie
HEINKEL HE 100???
Sat Aug 18 00:31:55 2001


You must be kidding me?!?!
Surely it must be a replica??
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Tom Fischer
Exhibited He 100
Sat Aug 18 02:02:21 2001


Ronnie

It *is* a replica. German magazine Flugzeug Classic recently featured a one page color feature on this a/c with a number of pictures.

The replica looks nice and impressive, in spite of the fact that it must be enormously difficult or outright impossible to obtain genuine blueprints and documentation for this a/c. Judging from the (few) photos some areas might have been slightly simplified (e.g. landing gear/wheel wells).

It's absolutely amazing, though, to see a life-size He 100 in 2001. A very brave and commenable choice for a replica.

HTH,

Tom
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Hans
replica.
Sat Aug 18 03:40:00 2001


Tom.

Do you remember by any chance who did the replica?
Many replica's are built by members of the EAA. They have build so far two replica's of the Spirit of St. Louis.
One for the Smithsonian and one for the EAA history museum, both are flyable. Besides many types.

About a twelve years ago, someone build and flew a replica of the GeeBee 2.

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Tom Fischer
He 100 Replica
Sat Aug 18 14:23:32 2001


Dear Hans

According to Flugzeug Classic, the replica was built by George Lucas, a New York teacher. He has already built replicas of the Ba 349 and Me 163.

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Hans
Thanks
Sat Aug 18 17:50:28 2001


Tom

I think I remember something about it. I used to be a member of the EAA but when I had to quit flying I also quit most of my involvement and left EAA.
But EAA members are building all kinds of replica's and it will be good to stay in contact with them. They do own many warplanes probably could give some good information.

Friendly Regards

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The website <U>On Camouflaged Wings</U>, by Paul F. Straney, covers Luftwaffe aircraft and camouflage, with sections on the captured Luftwaffe aircraft brought to the U.S. and surviving aircraft at the NASM and the South African National Museum. The site address is:

http://www.norwich.net/~pstrany/ocw/index.htm

Sections of interest are:

Aviation Photo Gallery

Photos include:

Me 109's along with a Junkers 290
Me 109 abandoned at a factory (color)
Me 109 nose-down 4 (color)
Me 262 abandoned by a roadway (color)
"Baka" bomb at NASM Garber Facility (color)
Ar 234 at NASM (color)
He 162 at NASM Garber Facility (color)

South Africa's Warbirds: A Visit to the South African National Museum of Military History

<U>A visit to the South African National Museum of Military History</U>

This is a nice review, including photos, of the SA Museum collection, including mention of how the collection got its Luftwaffe aircraft. Luftwaffe aircraft covered include:

Fw 190A-6, WN 550214
Me 262B-1a/U1, WN 110305
Fi 156 Storch
BF 109E-3, WN 1289
Bf 109F-2/TROP, WN 31010

<U>Fw-190 Restoration: a report from Anthony Speir</U>

Interesting article about the difficulties in trying to identify the museum aircraft's history. A single historical photo is shown.

<U>Source Documents: SANMMH museum inventory cards.</U>

.jpg images of cards for:

Fi 156 Storch
Fw 190A-6/R6
Fw 190D
Ju 88A
Ju 52
Bf 109E-3
Bf 109F-2/trop
Me 262A
Me 262B-1a/U1

Luftwaffe Over Ohio!

This is an extensive article, with photos - some in color, on the captured Luftwaffe aircraft back to the U.S. It includes a nice bibliography. The article first appeared in <U>Air Classics</U>, v. 27, n. 7 (July 1991) and was later reprinted in <U>Warbirds International</U>, v. 12, n. 2 (March/April 1993). New pictures which did not appear in the articles are included here.

A link is also provided which brings the reader to a 2-part article on "Freeman Field Dig", by Dick Phillips, which appeared in the <U>Twin City Aero Historians Newsletter</U> . The article pertains to the search for buried Luftwaffe aircraft remains at Freeman Field.

Interpreting Military Aircraft Camouflage from Historical Records

Utilizing Luftwaffe colors of the late war 1944-1945 period, Paul F. Straney and Robert Sacchi point out the difficulties in properly identifying correct camouflage colors. Heavy emphasis is given to those on the Luftwaffe jets.

Pictures From the 1998 Paul E. Garber Restoration Facility Open House

Color photos of the following aircraft are shown:

Ar 196, WN 623183
Ar 234, WN 140312, FE-1010
Ba 349B, FE-1011
BV 155B V3, FE-505
Do 335A-0, WN 240102, FE-1012
Fi 156
Fw 190F-8/R1,WN 931884, FE-117
Go 229 V3, FE-490
He 162A-2, WN 120230, FE-504
He 219, WN 290202, FE-614
Ju 388L-1, WN 560049, FE-4010
Me 410A-3, WN 018, EB-103, FE-499
MXY7 Ohka (BAKA)

Military Aviation History Links on the Web

Lengthy list of links.


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Richard
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Stanislav Hruby
Photos of engines.
Wed Nov 14 08:55:14 2001


Hello Ray!
For some interesting photos see this: http://isweb23.infoseek.co.jp/art/to...photo-room.htm
Some drawings I saw in Polish publications for the Bf 110 and Bf 109.
My best regards, Standa
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Old 12-20-2001, 05:47 AM
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Standa's note sounded interesting, so I took a look at the site mentioned. While in Japanese, the photos are really oustanding. All are in color and, except for some miscellaneous engine parts at the end, all can be viewed in a crisp, large size. I have no idea what the name of the site is, nor who is the webmaster. Regardless, this is a treasure.

The toughie, since the site is in Japanese, was to identify where these aircraft and engines were. Thanks primarily to Mikael Olrog's Preserved Axis Aircraft site, I was able to do pretty well on the identifications. To make it easier for the reader, I'll present the information in a beginning to end manner as laid out on the site. This means hitting the major subject icons top row left to right, next row left to right, etc. Same with the thumbnail photos that each icon leads to.

Me 262A-1a, WN 500071, white 3, Deustches Museum, Munich, 32 photos
Me 262A-2a, WN 112372, red X, RAFM Cosford, England, 2 photos

Fw 190D9, WN 601088, <1+~, Air Force Museum, Dayton, Ohio, 34 photos
Fw 190D13/R11, WN 836017, yellow 10, Champlin Fighter Museum, Arizona, 34 photos

BMW 003, 6 photos
BMW 132, Museo del Aire, Madrid, Spain, 4 photos
BMW 801, 4 photos
BMW 801, Deustches Museum, Munich, 5 photos

Jumo 213E, Champlin Fighter Museum, Arizona, 29 photos
Jumo 213a, 5 photos

DB 601, Deustches Museum, Munich, 8 photos
DB 601, 7 photos

DB 605, 5 photos
DB 610, RAFM Cosford, England, 5 photos
Jumo 222, Deustches Museum, Munich, 5 photos

German engine parts, 14 photos

Regards,
Richard

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Steve Sheflin
Russian 190
Fri Nov 23 17:55:38 2001


Does anyone know the correct model, Werknummer, and St,Kz. for the Fw 190 found at Novgorod near Leningrad, Russia? Finally, is this aircraft now in England?
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Dave
190
Fri Nov 23 20:05:06 2001


Fw 190A-5 wk.nr.1227 , DG+HO , White A of 4/JG54
Supposedly with the Flying Heritage Collection , Seattle.

Dave
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Steve Sheflin
Fw 190
Sun Nov 25 01:16:36 2001


Thanks for the information.
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