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Old 06-25-2004, 12:24 PM
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Dornier Do 17 books
Tue Jun 15, 2004 21:12
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I'm looking for good books on the Do 17 Z, K, M, P. I am primarily interested in the aircraft itself, rather than its operational use. But I will not be dismissive of any suggestions.
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Old 06-25-2004, 12:24 PM
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Primoz Debenjak
I'm afraid there are none
Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:02
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I mean good books dedicated to the Do 17. There are good photos here and there, there were a few monographs (Waffenarsenal, Polish ...).

We're still waiting for a good book (and a decent Do 17 kit as well; I'm afraid we'll sooner see a 1/32 Saunders-Roe Princess than a good 1/48 Do 17). I hope you're not too old to wait (and wait and wait ...)
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Old 06-25-2004, 12:25 PM
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Bob Rinder
Do-17 Books
Wed Jun 16, 2004 15:58
64.12.116.81

From Udo Hafner's archiv..........

Dornier
Do 17 E
Handbuch, Werksausgabe, 1937, 530 S. Handbook
92.-
Do 17 E
LDv 554/1, Beschreibung, 1937, 255 S. Specification
53.-
Do 17 E und F
Ersatzteilliste, 1940, 386 S. Service-part list
70.-
Do 17 E und F
Werksausgabe, Kurz-Betriebsanleitung, 1940, 42 S.
Short operating instruction
19.-
Do 17 F
LDv 584/2, Entwurf einer Beschreibung, Einbau- und
Prüfvorschrift für Bewaffnung, Bildgerät & Bordfunkanlage, 1938, 130 S.
specification, test procedere for armament and radio control
32.-
Do 17 F
LDv 553/2, Handbuch, 1937, 370 S. Handbook
69.-
Do 17 F
LDv 554/2, Beschreibung, 1937, 240 S. Specification
52.-
Do 17 M
LDv 553/3, Handbuch, 1939, 380 S. Handbook
76.-
Do 17 M
Werksausgabe, Kurz-Betriebsanleitung, 1940, 43 S.
Short operating instruction
18.-
Do 17 M und P
LDv 585/5, Bed.-Vorschrift für bewegl. Schußwaffe, 1939, 26 S. Operating direction for armament
15.-
Do 17 M
LDv 585/6, Bedienungs- und Beladevorschriftorschrift
für die Abwurfwaffe, 1940, 46 S.
Operating direction for bomb-armament
18.-
Do 17 M und P
Lehrbildreihe, 6 Abb., A- C-Stand,
Education document
11.-
Do 17 P
LDv 553/4, Handbuch, 1940, 330 S. Handbook
65.-
Do 17 P
LDv 584/4, Beschreibung, Einbau- und Prüfvorschrift
für die Bewaffnung und das Bildgerät,1939, 82 S.
Specification and test procedere for armament
25.-
Do 17 P
LDv 584/4a, Beschreibung, Betriebs- und Prüfvorschrift der Bordfunkanlage, 1939, 72 S.
Specification and test procedere for radio control unit
23.-
Do 17 Z
Kurz-Betriebsanleitung, Werksausgabe, 1940, 52 S.
Short operating instruction
18.-
Do 17 Z
LDv 553/5, Flugzeug-Handbuch, 1940, 360 S.
Handbook
70.-
Do 17 Z
Lehrbildreihe Nr. 68 mit 62 Abb., Bewaffnung mit Bildgerät zur LDv 584/5
Education document with 62 illustrations
42.-
Do 17 Z
Waffen-Kompendium, gesamt 192 S., bestehend aus:
- LDv 584/5, Beschreibung, Einbau- und Prüfvorschrift für die Bewaffnung und Bildgeräte-ausrüstung, 1940, 88 S.
- LDv 585/9, Bed.-Vorschrift für die bewegliche Schusswaffe, 1939, 22 S.
- LDv 585/10, Bedienungs- und Beladevorschrift für die Abwurfwaffewaffe, 1939, 40 S.
- LDv 584/5a, Bordfunkanlage, 1940, 42 S.
Armament and radio communication-compendium:
specification, test procedere, operating instruction
53.-
Do 17 Z-7
D(Luft)T 2131/4, Bedienung der Schußwaffe, 1940, 23 S. Operating of armament
16.-
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Old 06-25-2004, 12:26 PM
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Chris Goss
Re: Dornier Do 17 books
Wed Jun 16, 2004 16:47
80.40.93.61

Fingers crossed, I will be doing a photo album book for 'Red Kite' publishing later this year/early next
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Boris Ciglic
Dornier Do 17: The Yugoslav story
Wed Jun 16, 2004 20:36
212.124.160.7

Together with my friend Dragan Savic, I am currently finishing a manuscript with the above mentioned title. Contrary to what you are looking for, it will do very little with technical aspects of Do 17 and much more with operational history. It will cover the following themes:
- purchase and pre-war use of Do 17Ka in Royal Yugoslav AF
- operational record of Do 17Ka in April War 1941
- Luftwaffe Do 17 units in Yugoslavia 1941 - 1945
- Croat Legion within Luftwaffe (training, Eastern Front & Yugoslavia)
- Croat AF operations with Do 17Ka, E, M & Z
- Bulgarian AF Do 17's over Yugoslavia
- Partisan and post-war Yugoslav Do 17s
Text is based on archival sources from Yugoslav military archive, various archives in Croatia, BA MA, PRO, NAW T microfilms, numerous interviews with former airmen and generous help from many friends in Serbia and abroad. There would be extensive Appendix coverage iatn the end, including list of all VVKJ Do 17Ka and their history, reconstruction of Royal Yugoslav AF 3.Bomber Wing combat diary in April War, losses of Luftwaffe Do 17s in Yugoslavia, list of Luftwaffe Do 17 units in Yugoslavia with commanders and bases, losses of Croat Legion Do 17's, list of all Croat Do 17s and their history, Croat Do 17 units and CO's, list of post-war Yugoslav Do 17's and their history.
In all probability book will be of B5 size, on some 128 pages, with over 100 photos, most of them unpublished, and some 30 color profiles. It will be published in Serbia, but in English.
Date of publishing? Still not known. If everything goes smoothly until the end of this year. If it sees the light of the day in less than a year it will be great.
Anyway, more about it will follow...
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Dénes Bernád
Boris, contact me about a Do 17K crash, Rumania, April 1941 (nm)
Wed Jun 16, 2004 21:42
66.163.31.142
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Csaba Becze
Re: Dornier Do 17: The Yugoslav story
Thu Jun 17, 2004 20:19
193.6.243.100

Boris,

maybe I have some interesting materials for you.
Contact me off board.
aruns@freemail.hu

Csaba
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Mikael Olrog
Dornier Do 17: The Yugoslav story
Fri Jun 18, 2004 10:52
213.89.147.127

Boris,

Could you contact me off board?

molrog@hotmail.com

Thanks!
/Mikael
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Charles Metz
Two books on the Do 17
Wed Jun 16, 2004 21:49
128.135.56.76

Hello Steven,

Although neither is anywhere close to definitive, two books on the Do 17 are:

Kocent-Zielinski: 'Dornier Do 17 Part 1' (Air Show series [unnumbered]; Kagero [Poland], 1998; in Polish; 48 pages)

and:

Smith: 'The Dornier Do 17 & 215' (Aircraft Profile series, No. 164; Profile Publications [UK], 1971; 16 pages)

I don't recall hearing that Kagero published a second part of the Air Show book ... but then again this aircraft isn't one of my primary interests.

Charles Metz
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Old 06-25-2004, 12:33 PM
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Vinnie O
Do-217 book
Thu Jun 17, 2004 05:44
68.50.200.226

There is one chapter on the original Do-17 in

Manfred Griehl, "Do 217, 317, 417, an Operational Record". Smithsonian. ISBN 1-56098-232-2 (previously published in Germany and England)
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Leon Venter
Re: Dornier Do 17 books
Wed Jun 16, 2004 22:35
68.120.155.111

As indicated by other posters, the Do 17 family has been sadly neglected. While we wait for the ultimate reference, here are some of the resources that have already been published:

- Schiffer Military History #25: "The Flying Pencil - Dornier Do 17 and Do 215" by Heinz Nowarra, 1990, ISBN 0-88740-236-4
Translation of the Waffen-Arsenal title. Not much text, but good photos.

- Kagero Air Show Series: "Dornier Do-17, cz.I" by Edward Kocent-Zielinski, 1997, ISBN 83-907005-2-2
All text in Polish, but lots of high-quality photos, including cockpit interiors of the E, M, P and Z.

- Air Enthusiast #30 March-June 1986, p.38-53: "The Annals of the 'Pencil'"
Excellent 16-page article on the development and operational history of the early Do 17 variants, namely the E, F, K, M, and P. Briefly discusses the Z and R models as well. It was interesting to read that some Do 17s were operational throughout the war -- Schleppgruppe 1 destroyed its 11 Do 17Es at Hohenmauth on May 8th, 1945.

- Warbirds Fotofax Series: "Dornier Bombers and Reconnaissance Aircraft 1925-1945" by Manfred Griehl, Arms & Armour Press, 1990, ISBN 1-85409-000-3
Contains 7 pages of Do 17 photos and drawings, plus some tables of production data, technical specs, and Do 17 units & their unit codes.

- Profile Publications #164: "Dornier Do 17 & 215" by Richard Smith
Good coverage of the basics.

- Squadron/Signal Aircraft No. Three: "Luftwaffe Bombers in Action" by Uwe Feist and Mike Dario, 1972
Contains 7 pages of Do 17 photos.

HTH,
Leon Venter
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Thank you all for your Do 17 book suggestions. Appreciated. (nm)
Fri Jun 18, 2004 04:40
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Juha
Do 17 books To Steven-Modeldad
Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:29
62.248.223.89

Hello, the original thread is so far away from the top that I'll start a new one.
There are two other good books where there are a lot of good photos on Do 17Z. The older one is Suomen Ilmavoimien Historia 2 Dornier Do 17 Z Junkers Ju 88A-4 by K. Keskinen K. Stenman K. Niska. Forssa 197x (different editions). Mostly in Finnish but some 6 pages English summary. Many good photos on Finnish AF's Do 17Zs, 2 pages of technical drawings but almost impossible to obtain nowadays but they are producing new editions of the oldest ones of this series (Fokker XXI and Bf 109G already out and these have captions also in English)

The other is Lentäjän Näkökulma IV by Jukka Raunio. Forssa 1998. It's more on the a/c and on what it was as a flying machine. Also lots of photos and many technical drawings, also cockpit drawnings and good line drawings. But it all in Finnish. So the Chapter on the structure of Do 17Z begins "Dornierin siipiprofiili oli amerikkalainen NACA 2212. Siiven V-kulma oli 2 astetta 20 minuuttia jättöreunasta mitattuna ja asetuskulma 2 astetta. Alumiiniseoslevyistä valmistetussa siivessä oli kaksi salkoa, kaaret ja pintalevy..."
On the plus side the book handles also Bristol Blenheim, Tupolev SB 2M100 & 2M103, Iljushin DB-3M & Il-4, Petljakov Pe-2 & Pe-3 and Ju 88A-4. All but DB-3M & Il-4 with many technical drawings besides photos, on DB-3M & Il-4 only two technical drawings.

Juha
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The following is a description of a document seen on eBay:

'Merkblatt ober Do 17 F

Beschreibung

Zum Angebot kommt hier ein original Merkblatt für fliegendes Personal wie Flugzeugführer, Bordfunker, Bordmechaniker etc. der Dornier Do 17 F. Darin werden die verschiedenen Bedienvorschriften sowie Notverfahren beschrieben. Außerdem befinden sich in der Anweisung Zeichnungen mit Beschreibungen des Instrumentenbretts und Cockpits. Interessante Vorschrift zum „fliegenden Bleistift“.'

Altavista translation:

'Instruction book on Do 17 F

Description

To the offer here an original instruction card comes for flying personnel such as pilot, radio operator, flight engineer etc. the Dornier Do 17 F. Therein the different control regulations as well as emergency procedures are described. In addition designs with descriptions of the instrument panel and cockpit are in the instruction. Interesting regulation to the "flying pencil".'

Regards,
Richard
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