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Old 11-07-2004, 11:58 AM
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Default Soviet GPW documents - POWs inquest protocols

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M Bykov
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German crews, captured by Soviets
Mon Oct 18, 2004 22:10
212.46.248.109

Hello!

Here you are names (some may be uncorrect - because of transliteraton from Russian documents) of German pilots and bomber/recon crews that was SD and captured on the Russian front in 1941-1942.

Any details of German Losses are needed (date, type & WNr of a/c, unit etc)

1) Otw Helmut Fray (Frey? Frai?), 4/14 (recon pilot)
2) Lt Hans Rutz (Ruetz?), 3/31
3) Fw Walter Buler (Bueler?), StG 2
4) Fw Rudolf Schick, KG26
5) Fw Karl Aul (?), KG51
6) Gefr Karl Kuner (Kuener?), KG51
7) Hpt Gunther von Winczewski (?), KG51
8) Oblt Friedrich Kracke (Krake?), KG77
9) Lt Karl Schnecker (Snekker?), IV/JG27
10) Ofw Alexander Mudin, I/JG51
11) Lt Herbert Buschmann, JG51
12) Erich Schiffer, 3/JG52

Also I have info that He111 WNr 4310, built July 1941, was SD by MiGs in 1st half of Sept.1941 in Rogozovo area. Any other details (date, unit, crew) are needed.

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Old 11-07-2004, 11:59 AM
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Matti Salonen
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Tue Oct 19, 2004 18:20
212.246.227.148

I think that this is all you want. Would be grateful to receive from you additional info, especially fate of the crew.

1941-09-10 Ju 88D-1 881115 5F+KM 4.(F)/14
Flugzeugführer Fw Wiblishauser, Johann vermißt
Beobachter Ofw Frey, Helmut vermißt
Bordfunker Gefr Rudolf, Werner vermißt
Bordschütze Uffz Kinder, Willy vermißt
Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1941-09-13 Bf 110C-5 2290 3.(F)/31
Flugzeugführer Uffz Körner, Hans vermißt
Beobachter Lt Rütz, Hans vermißt
Bordfunker Uffz Maus, Heinrich vermißt
Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1941-08-03 Ju 87R-1 5482 S2+MN 5./St.G 77
Flugzeugführer Fw Bühler, Walter vermißt
Bordfunker Flg Tauendfreund, Adolf †
Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1941-08-07 He 111H-5 7./KG 26 Rußland
Flugzeugführer Fw Schick, Rudolf vermißt
Beobachter Lt Taschner, Josef vermißt
Beobachter Lt Goetz, Hans-Joachim vermißt
Bordfunker Uffz Franke, Hans vermißt
Bordmechaniker Fw Purschke, Gottfried vermißt
Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %. Was this 1941-08-06?
1941-07-11 Ju 88A-5 886230 9K+IN 5./KG 51
Flugzeugführer Hptm von Wenezowsky, Günter vermißt
Beobachter Fw Aull, Karl
Bordfunker Fw Mühlenberg, Heinz †
Bordschütze Obgfr Kühner, Karl vermißt
Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1941-08-05 Do 215 0024 L2+ES 3./Aufkl.Gr.Ob.d.L. (Odessa-Olgopol-Aniev)
Flugzeugführer Oblt Kracke, Friedrich gefangen
Beobachter Fw Schröder, Hermann gefangen
Bordfunker Ogefr Bäcker, Emil vermißt
Bordmechaniker Uffz Simon, Albert vermißt
Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1941-08-09 Bf 109F-1 8949 7 schw 11./JG 51 Bei Brjansk
Flugzeugführer Lt Schnecker, Karl vermißt
Luftkampf mit Jäger. Bruch 100 %.
1941-09-23 Bf 109F-2 5407 10 weiße 1./JG 51 Nordwestl. Jarzewo
Flugzeugführer Ofw Mudin, Alexander vermißt
Notlandung jenseits infolge Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
1941-08-05 Bf 109F-2 9643 10 weiße 7./JG 51 10 km nordostw. Jelnja
Flugzeugführer Uffz Buschmann, Herbert vermißt
Absturz nach Luftkampf mit 6 Jäger. Flugzeugführer mit Fallschirm abgesprungen. Bruch 100 %.
1941-08-30 Bf 109F-4 8340 8 gelbe 9./JG 52
Flugzeugführer Uffz Schiffler, Erich †
Notlandung infolge Feindbeschuß jenseits HKL. Bruch 100 %.
1941-08-27 He 111H-6 4310 G1+DP 6./KG 55
Flugzeugführer Lt Knobel, Ekkehard vermißt
Beobachter Gefr Schlages, Walter vermißt
Bordfunker Gefr Honka, Reinhard vermißt
Bordmechaniker Uffz Weinem, Karl-Heinz vermißt
Bordschütze Uffz Parsch, Ehrenfried vermißt
Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.


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Matti
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Tue Oct 19, 2004 19:15
82.113.61.38
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M.Bykov
Great Thanks to All!
Tue Oct 19, 2004 20:55
212.46.248.244

But that is not results of MY researches.
These Names was given to me by my friend, all of them are from Soviet GPW documents - POWs inquest protocols. Fate of the man not mentioned there There they are written only in Russian (Cyrillic) - that is because some (if not all) of them are not fully correct. All that I know is that those LW men all was SD in air combats by Russian MiG-3 fighters (the complete history of that Soviet aircraft is the main target of my friend's work). He (not I) needed add info about those LW men. I will ask him, but I think all he may know - Nos of Soviet units, which downed those Germans, and, may be - MiGs pilots names...

And he can give anorther German POWs names, then I will post them here.

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Old 11-07-2004, 12:02 PM
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Dénes Bernád
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Tue Oct 19, 2004 21:51
66.163.31.142
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Old 11-07-2004, 12:03 PM
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Jan Bobek
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Wed Oct 20, 2004 08:59
82.113.61.38

The valuable finding is that they are not MIA any more. They are POW, although with uncertain fate ...
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Nikita Egorov
POWs
Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:11
62.118.149.225

Hi, All!

Yes, it is a valuable finding that some of reported MIA German pilots could be found as POWs in Soviet documents. I, personally, face such cases now and again. Here is another occasion in which we managed to identify German crew, listed as non returned from combat mission (sorry for incorrect spelling of names):
On March 25, 1942 Starshiy Leytenant (1-st leutenant) Smirnov from 788 IAP PVO, shot down Ju-88D-1 north-west of Stalingrad. German crew was captured:
Lt. Helmut Grosse
Fw. Ewald Belkinkoff - ?
Gefr. Mischke
Uffz. Taninger
During interrogation they told they were from detachment, commanded by Hpt. Britzel. I suppose one of far recon groups...
Together with Mikhail we have collected a pack of such stories, but unfortunatelly we are not able to trace fates of those man in Soviet confinement...

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Matti Salonen
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Wed Oct 20, 2004 19:09
212.246.227.148

If possible, I would like to improve my database by adding your info on the circumstancies of the losses (who shot down, use of parachute, location etc). My e-mail address is above. Here is what I have for this case:

1942-03-25 Ju 88D-1 881405 T5+HM 2.(F)/Ob.d.L. Stalingrad
Flugzeugführer Lt Grosse, Helmut vermißt
Beobachter Fw Berkenkopf, Ewald vermißt
Bordfunker Uffz Mietschke, Kurt vermißt
Bordschütze Uffz Deininger, Max vermißt
Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.


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Matti
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M.Bykov
German crews, captured by Soviets (part 2)
Wed Oct 20, 2004 13:02
212.46.241.70

Lt Augustin Friedrich, 4/14
Ogerf Pfeil Gerhard, KG27 (He111)
Gefr Krick Josef, Stab I/KG27
Uof Hermann Steinborn, KG77
Lt Loewski, II/KG77
Pilot Kurt Abrumeit
Oblt Rutzen Rudolf
Lt Erich Hoffmann, I/JG27
Uof Paul Budens (Bf109 Pilot, Maj Handrick's unit)
Gefr Enich - recon a/c pilot or crew member
Lt Fink Jochim

In addition to my 1st post - Fw Wiblishauser Johann, 4.(F)/14 was captured too (like Ofw Frey Helmut, the same Ju 88D-1 881115 5F+KM)...

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Matti Salonen
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Wed Oct 20, 2004 19:14
212.246.227.148

If possible, I would like to improve my database by adding your info on the circumstancies of the losses (who shot down, use of parachute, location etc). My e-mail address is above. Here is what I have for these cases (cannot recognize Lt Loewski and Gefr Enich):

1941-09-08 Ju 88D-1 881367 5F+LM 4.(F)/14 Kirow - Tula
Flugzeugführer Obgfr Trauthwein, Rudolf vermißt
Beobachter Lt Augustin, Friedrich vermißt
Bordfunker Gefr Altenwerth, Kuno vermißt
Bordschütze Gefr Joppich, Willi vermißt
Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1941-09-22 He 111P-2 2793 1G+MM Stabsst./KG 27 Fl.Pl. Melitopol
Flugzeugführer Obgfr Pfeil, Gerhard gefangen
Beobachter Uffz Finke, Bernhard †
Bordfunker Gefr Krick, Josef gefangen
Bordmechaniker Obgfr Heine, Walter vermißt
Bordschütze Obgfr Brück, Herbert vermißt
Notlandung infolge Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
1941-07-11 Ju 88A-5 882433 3Z+BR 7./KG 77 Fl.Pl. Mury
Flugzeugführer Lt Stolte, Franz Josef vermißt
Beobachter Obgfr Hoffmann, Heinz vermißt
Beobachter Fw Baumgarten, Alfred vermißt
Bordschütze Uffz Steinborn, Hermann vermißt
Luftkampf. Bruch 100 %.
1941-07-09 He 111H-5 4024 1G+GL 3./KG 27 Bei Ossethashka
Flugzeugführer Uffz Abromeit, Kurt gefangen
Beobachter Uffz Simmler, Hugo gefangen
Bordfunker Uffz Bräuninger, Karl gefangen
Bordmechaniker Uffz Strohmeyer, Josef gefangen
Notlandung infolge Feindbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
1941-08-17 Ju 88A-5 887019 3Z+BA Stab KG 77
Flugzeugführer Lt Fink, Joachim vermißt
Beobachter Fw Obendorf, Herbert vermißt
Bordfunker Oblt Rutzen, Rudolf vermißt
Bordschütze StFw Lumm, Kurt vermißt
Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1941-08-05 He 111H-5 4066 1G+AL 3./KG 27 Wosnessensk
Flugzeugführer Oblt Bader, Fritz †
Flugzeugführer Lt Hoffmann, Erich gefangen
Beobachter Ofw Bästlein, Willz †
Bordfunker Gefr Fingerhut, Heinz gefangen
Bordmechaniker Gefr Hengge, Richard vermißt
Notlandung infolge Jägerbeschuß über Nikolajew. Bruch 100 %.
1941-08-30 Bf 109F-4 7113 5 schw 8./JG 77 Südöstl. Dnjepropetrowsk
Flugzeugführer Uffz Budenz, Paul †
Luftkampf. Bruch 100 %.

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Matti
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