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Old 12-02-2004, 11:41 AM
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Milan Bencek
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Recovered: Fw 190F-8 W.Nr.584057 of 3./SG with pilot
Tue Nov 2, 2004 19:04
213.81.178.224

Hi all

Can someone give me details about lost Fw 190F-8 W.Nr.584057 of 3./SG with pilot Gefr. Hermann Heim. Plane lost on February 25th 1945, Heim killed and his body, engine, guns, parachute and some personal documents were recovered one month ago near Zvolenska Slatina village in Slovakia. Heim was shot down by Rumanian pilot. Every detal is welcomed. Thanks. Contact me off board.

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Dénes Bernád
Shot down by the top Rumanian ace, Cpt. C. Cantacuzino
Thu Nov 4, 2004 22:00
66.163.31.142

The 'kill' is mentioned in my books on the Royal Rumanian Air Force.

Dénes
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Fri Nov 5, 2004 09:56
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Old 12-13-2004, 01:22 PM
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Peter 'Mikolaj' Mikolajski
Remains of He 177? Identification needed
Sat Nov 13, 2004 13:50
213.199.235.34


Hello!

Yesterday in Skiwa village (near Siemiatycze), eastern part of Poland, remains of unknown German plane were discovered.
According to villagers claims this plane was shot down by Russian plane on June 8th, 1944, together with another German plane.
Following factory plate was found:

Gerät Nr: 8-177.210-06
Werk Nr: 30685 | 3
Hersteller: dqw

Unfortunately remains are not complete. Only two inline (12-cylinder inverted-Vee) engines with undercarriage were found.
It seems that this plane was He 177, but I'm not 100% sure. Can anyone tell more about this plane?
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Old 12-13-2004, 01:22 PM
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George Hopp
Re: dqw
Sun Nov 14, 2004 05:45
134.117.137.40


In the book of codes, "dqw" is Mansfeld, Chn., Maschinenfabrik, Meinerzhagen 1/Westf.

Good luck with your search for info on the a/c.
George
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Old 12-13-2004, 01:25 PM
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Peter 'Mikolaj' Mikolajski
Re: dqw
Sun Nov 14, 2004 12:44
213.199.235.34


Hi George!

Thanks for info about this code, I was unable to decipher it.

Yesterday I've received some photos from crash & recovery area and I'm including here two of them - factory plate and undercarriage leg.

http://sithian.republika.pl/plate.jpg

http://sithian.republika.pl/leg.jpg
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Christiaan Vanhee
He 177
Sun Nov 14, 2004 19:58
81.83.96.175


Hello Peter,

This is 200% sure He 177 as indicated by the dataplate. The part is coming from the undercarriage as You shall have taken it certainly off the system of the undercarriagelegs somewhere.

regards,

Chris
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Old 12-13-2004, 01:26 PM
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Peter 'Mikolaj' Mikolajski
Re: He 177
Sun Nov 14, 2004 22:17
213.199.235.34


It seems that this He 177 was part of KG 1 flying from Prowehen or Seerappen near Königsberg between May-July 1944.
Unfortunately I'm still unable to learn more about exact version because WNr (or other info from dataplate) doesn't fit to these known by me.
(List compiled from Militaria's "He 177 Greif" book by Janusz Ledwoch):

He 177A-0
00016-00030 (Rostock)
5001- 5005 (Arado)
32001-32015 (Oranienburg)

He 177A-1
15151- 15280 (Oranienburg)
135006-135024 (Oranienburg)
335001-335005 (Arado)

He 177A-3
15291- 15346 (Arado)
332101-332148 (Heinkel)
332206 (Heinkel)
332337-332518 (Arado)
332351-332376 (Heinkel)
535347-535354 (Arado)
535364-535460 (Arado)
535533-535596 (Arado)
535727-535794 (Arado)
535848-535869 (Arado)

He 177A-5
550001-550201 (Heinkel)
550202-550333 (Arado)


Any ideas about this plane?
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Old 12-13-2004, 01:27 PM
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Rabe Anton
He 177 Werknummer
Thu Nov 18, 2004 15:04
132.60.240.80


Peter,

The reason that you cannot find the WNr. 30 685 as a He 177 Werknummer is because the WNr. 30 685 is the PART or COMPONENT Werknummer. Such part or component numbers were NOT the same as those for the airframe as a whole.

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Old 12-13-2004, 01:28 PM
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Peter 'Mikolaj' Mikolajski
Re: He 177 Werknummer
Thu Nov 18, 2004 15:14
213.199.235.34


Hi!

I know that WNrs for plane and for components are not exchangable. This misunderstanding is rather my unperfect English fault )
I remember that last year I had dataplate from Bf 109's engine and someone gave me a lot of info not only about engine itslf but also about plane equipped with it.
I hoped that someone have docs with listing of WNrs assigned to He 177's undercarriages and can help to identify plane's WNr.
Right now I'm 99% sure that this is He 177A-3 from II./KG 1, one of 5 planes lost in June 1944 and that's all what I can say.


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Peter
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Rabe Anton
He 177 Werknummern
Thu Nov 18, 2004 16:41
132.60.240.80


Hi Peter!

A question for you, Peter: I'm interested in the book on the He 177 Greif by Janusz Ledwoch that you noted. Could you provide bibliographic details (publisher, date, etc.)?

RA
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Old 12-13-2004, 01:29 PM
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Peter 'Mikolaj' Mikolajski
Re: He 177 Werknummern
Thu Nov 18, 2004 16:56
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Title: "He 177 Greif"
Published by: Wydawnictwo Militaria
Place & date: Warszawa 1997
ISBN: 83-86209-83-6

Contact me ofline if you want to know more - info (at) capturedplanes.net


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Peter
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Rabe Anton
Janusz, He 177
Thu Nov 18, 2004 20:58
132.60.240.80


Many thanks, Peter! But I fear that the book is out of print.

RA
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Old 12-13-2004, 01:30 PM
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Peter 'Mikolaj' Mikolajski
Re: Janusz, He 177
Fri Nov 19, 2004 15:35
213.199.235.34


It should be still available direct from publisher - check yourself:
http://www.militaria.net.pl/strony/046.html

Price is 9 Euro plus P&P.


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Peter
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