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Old 08-04-2000, 06:18 PM
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Mikael Olrog's Preserved Axis Aircraft Throughout the World website is organized by type of aircraft, engine, or missile, noting at which museums or other facility these are located at.

The website address is: http://www.axisaircraft.com

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Old 08-06-2000, 07:17 PM
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Peter Evans' Luftwaffe Experten Mailing List website has a Worldwide Captive Luftwaffe webpage listing, by aircraft type, Luftwaffe aircraft in museums or other facilities around the world. In this regard, the listing is very similar to that provided in Mikael Olrog's Preserved Axis Aircraft Throughout the World website. The URL for the Worldwide Captive Luftwaffe webpage is:

http://www.experten.fsnet.co.uk/restore.html

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Richard

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Old 08-07-2000, 12:37 PM
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The Hugo Junkers Homepage by Horst Zoeller presents information and photos of Remaining Junkers Aircraft Worldwide, including engines. There are numerous photos of Junkers aircraft and engines both in museums and at crash sites, some of them under water. The website URL is:

http://www.junkers.de.vu

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Old 08-16-2000, 08:47 PM
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The website of the "Sgt. Mihajlo Petrovic" YUModelClub gives some interesting insites into Luftwaffe era aircraft and equipment still in Yugoslavia, as well as historical background. The URL is:

http://members.tripod.com/YUModelClub/

Photos and historic details are presented in the History section. This section, besides giving links to the histories and/or photos of specific aircraft and engines, presents the story of the war over Yugoslavia on 6 April 1941. German aircraft and equipment covered are:
<UL>
<L1>* Bf-109 E
<L1>* Bf-109 G
<L1>* Bf-110 C
<L1>* Fw-190 f8
<L1>* JUMO 004[/list]
There is an article on the Yugoslav Aeronautical Mudseum in Belgrade. This is found by clicking on the Museum section. The museum has an ME 109 G2, a Ju-52 on outdoor display, and a JUMO 004 jet engine in the basement.

The Fw-190 f8 is located in the basement of the Air Force museum in Surcin near Belgrade.

An Me-109 G-10 awaits restoration (location not given).

There are only 2 Me-109's in Yugoslavia. Reference is made that, besides the G-10, another Me-109 is restored at the Air and Space Museum. Thus, this may be the Yugoslav Aeronautical Museum under a different name.

BTW, my diverse aircraft spellings are simply copying them as they were shown on this website.

Regards,
Richard

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Update.

While this site can still be accessed at the address given, the site has been updated at the following new address:

http://www.yumodel.co.yu/

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Richard

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Old 09-14-2000, 08:08 PM
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From 12 O'clock High!:




Alex Marian
Information on Greman aircrafts serving in post-war
Fri Aug 11 23:58:25 2000


I wonder if any of the members have any info on total and types operated in former Warsaw Pact nations, remains of the WW2 Luftwaffe.
Besides the Bf 109 used by Yugoslavia until 1958, what happened to the Fw 190 captured, and not only this one???
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Old 09-14-2000, 08:09 PM
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suba
German planes in YU
Sat Aug 12 01:50:08 2000


Soon on my web site “Maketorama” will be much better and precise color drawings of that plane. I will post a note on this board when these pages are on-line.

It is Focke Fulf FW-190 F-8 from SG.2 with W.Nr. 930838 and is “alive” and in Yugoslav Air Force Museum near Belgrade waiting for restoration – I saw him
personally in museum depot. This is as you probably know together with one in US (W.Nr. 931884) only FW-190 F8 that survived the war.

Yugoslavia had total of 66 Gustavs after the war
- 5 was captured from Germans in '44 (around 10 all together, but half was handed over to Russians)
- 2 was deflected from NDH in 1945
- 53 one-seat versions from Bulgaria in 1947
- 6 two-seat versions also from Bulgaria in 1947
One G-2 is restored and in Museum collection (W.Nr.14792)

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Old 09-15-2000, 02:32 AM
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suba
fw190 pic.
Mon Aug 21 12:38:10 2000


Yugoslav Aircraft Museum is in Surcin (next to official Belgrade airport), not in Zemun (both of them are Belgrade suburbs).
Anyway, you can see one picture of FW-190 on one of my web sites - go to this address www.backgammon011.com/makete and then to link for "Serbian and
Yugoslav Air Force Markings". After that choose FW 190F-8. On that picture you can also see the Fiat G.50 bis (in the background).
It is officaly forbiden to take pictures in Museum depot (

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Old 10-09-2000, 11:34 PM
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The website A Detailed Look At The Messerschmitt Bf109, by Matt C. Bole, presents exhaustive coverage of the Bf 109. The URL is:


http://members.aol.com/bf109gust/


Of particular interest to the preserved aircraft aficionado is an extensive listing of surviving Bf 109's, HA-1112's, and CS-199's.

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Old 12-10-2000, 08:23 PM
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From 12 O'clock High!:

Dave McDonald
Belgrade Stuka Wk.Nr.
Thu Nov 9 03:33:25 2000


Hi all

For those interested , I can confirm the nummer of this aircraft that is now in storage , incomplete , at Belgrade.
A photo of the aircrafts wing spar shows the nummer as 0879403 . There is the very slight possibility that the '9' maybe a '0' as I was viewing the nummer with a magnifying
glass - but I think the first version is correct
Any one with any history for this wk.nr ??

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Old 12-10-2000, 08:24 PM
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Jim P.
Re: Belgrade Stuka Wk.Nr.
Thu Nov 9 03:42:39 2000


From what I've seen that number, 0879403, would be very strange for a Stuka. If its a Ju 87B, then 0870403 could be a valid number. Also there were a couple of early Ds
reported with that type of number.
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Old 12-10-2000, 08:26 PM
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From TOH!:

Ken Merrick
Ju 87 Belgrade
Thu Nov 9 04:30:57 2000


The number does seem odd. This is possibly the part number for either the wing or spar, rather than the W.Nr. for the entire assembled airframe.

Ken
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Old 12-10-2000, 08:27 PM
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Dave McDonald
Numbers ..
Thu Nov 9 06:33:51 2000


Jim

My collegue thought the nummer was 0870403 so that may well be the correct one. The fourth digit was a little hard to make out as both the 0 and 9 are pritty similar . The
other numbers were very clear and are correct ....

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Old 12-10-2000, 08:29 PM
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Christiaan Vanhee
Ju 87
Fri Nov 10 16:49:56 2000


I gave this werknumber to Dave and it is clearly pencilled on the internal wingroot from the Ju 87 in major digits such as was normally done only for the worknumber of a
plane and not for a part number because that would have been stencilled on a dataplate and not in paint. I visited this plane in 1994 myself in Belgrade.
I have all reason to believe that this is the worknumber from the plane.I have numerous examples from my Ju 88 with the same system of giving the worknumber on
important parts from the fuselage structure.
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Old 12-10-2000, 08:31 PM
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Rabe Anton
Re: Ju 87 Werknummer
Fri Nov 10 18:56:27 2000


I would like to weigh in here with support for the positions of several friends on the question of the Belgrade Ju 87. The number 879403 cannot be a valid Ju 87
Werknummer. From my modest list of Ju 87 Werknummern, however, the number 87.0403 would have been valid for a Ju 87B-1 (87.0404 is documented). The Belgrade
machine may, of course, have been updated to B-2 or R-2 standard as so many Luftwaffe machines were. Further on the present configuration?

RA
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From TOH!:

Christiaan Vanhee
Ju 87 Belgrade
Sat Nov 11 08:00:40 2000


As Dave has already mentioned, We are not very sure if the 4th digit is a O(zero) or a 9 (nine) but it definitely has 087?403. and if it would have been a part number than it
clearly should have marked 087.0403 and not as a single number 0870403. I've several parts from my Ju 88 project marked such as 088140242 or 0881627, 088142160
etc...And all these parts have the similar way of painting as on he wingpart from the Belgrade Ju 87.
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Old 01-22-2001, 03:13 PM
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The Warbirds Resource Restoration Group section of Scott Rose' Warbirds Resource Page is devoted to information on various Restorations, Replica, or Restoration projects currently in the works. The section's website address is:

http://WWW.WARBIRDSRESOURCEGROUP.ORG....html#Aircraft

Luftwaffe aircraft covered; recovery location; and restorer are:

Fw 190 A-5; St. Petersburg; Flying A Services, UK

Bf 109 F-4; Northern Russia; Warbird Recovery, Broomfield, CO

Bf 109 E-7; N/A; Warbird Recovery, Broomfield, CO

Me 163B-1a; Surrendered at Husum after war; Imperial War Museum, Duxford, England - color photo

Bf 109 G-6; Yugoslav Aeronautical Museum; Evergreen Ventures, Fort Collins, Colorado

Bf 109 G-14; Captured near Munich in Germany in 1945; Evergreen Ventures, Fort Collins, Colorado

Bf 109 E; Sussex, England, Sept. 9, 1940; Duxford, England

Fw 190 F8; airfield near Kovin in Vojvodina; Yugoslav Aeronautical Museum - B&W photo

Fw 190-A4 (Yellow 3); Early Nineties; Giles Fowler

Me 262 Project new build Me 262's; initial construction in Dallas, Texas, later in Everett, Washington - 16 color photos

Bf 109 replica; construction at Dakota Messerschmitt, Casselton, North Dakota - color photo

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Richard
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Old 03-05-2001, 09:59 PM
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The Aeropoxy/Yasig site by Nemad Miklusev offers for sale a 36 color photo set of photos of aircraft in the Yugoslav Aeronautical Museum for $30. The photos are 9 x 13 (presumably cm) in size. The following WW II era German designed aircraft are in the museum and photo collection:

Bucher Bu 131 Jungmeister
Fi 156 Storch
Ju 52/3m
Me 109G-2

The website address is:

http://www.aeropoxy.freeservers.com/

Also offered are copies of the Yugoslav Aviation Special Interest Group bulletins. In these each aircraft is presented in precise scale and color scheme drawings. German design WW II aircraft covered are:

Fw 190F-8
Ju 52
Ju 87
Me 109E
Me 109G

I presume these are illustrated in Yugoslavian, rather than Luftwaffe, markings.

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Old 04-03-2001, 02:27 PM
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Jon Gant claims for his Messerschmitt Bf 109 website that it is the most authoritative site on the Bf 109. Having now reviewed it, I believe he certainly is in competition for that title. His site address is:

http://www.bf109.com/frameset.html

The sections of the site are as follows:

Site Articles

Messerschmitt Bf 109: The Beginning - Very short article with 2 color drawings and a b&w side view drawing.

Bf 109 Armament, by Tony Williams - Discusses the various armaments used by the Bf 109. A link labelled "armament" at the bottom of the article leads to significantly more information.

Hans Dittes 'Black 2' - Includes 3 color photos.

Preservation of Leather Artifacts: US Air Force Museum

Bf 109 Replica Project - Jon's ambition to build a replica. A link to an article on the Dakota Bf 109 replica tells the story of this interesting project, along with several color photos.

Meeting Franz Stigler, by Markus and Ryan Muntener - Short interview with 1 color and 2 b&w photos.

Bf109 Variant Evolution Information - Production numbers and list of variants with short description of what was unique about each one. Includes photos and drawings of some of the variants.

Messerschmitt Bf 109 Foreign Variations - Useage by Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechoslovakia, and Spain. Some tabular data.

Performance Statistics of the Bf 109 - Technical and performance information for the Bf 109V1, V3, B-2, E-4, F-3, G-6, and K-4. Five b&w photos.

Engine Construction Information - Technical information on the DB 600, DB 601, and DB 605. One b&w drawing, 1 color photo. Link to article on DB 601 and DB 605 with technical information, b&w drawing, and cutaway line drawing.

Armament Information - Table and description of armament used, color photo of amunition, table by variant indicating armament used along with history of useage, and two phantom drawings of amunition.

Pilots Manuals - Acrobat downloadable manuals for the Bf 109E, G-2, and K-4, along with English translations of the G-2 and K-4 manuals.

Flying the Messerschmitt Bf 109

RAE evaluation

Mark Hanna's commentary

Comments by 3 Luftwaffe pilots

Includes 3 color photos.

Photo Gallery

<U>Favourite Images</U>

MBB Bf 109G - 1 color photo
Bf 109G-2 'Black 6', WN 10639 - 2 color photos
Aerial shot, possibly of Black 2 - 1 color photo
Head-on cockpit - 2 b&w shots
Bf 109G-6 (D-FMBB) - 2 color photos

<U>Assorted 109 Images</U> - 3 color, 4 b&w photos

<U>Duxford Museum Visit (Nov' 2000)</U> - 5 color photos

<U>Deutsches Museum Visit</U>

BF 109E-3, WN 790 - 4 color photos
Ju 52 - 1 color photo
Me 163 - 1 color photo
Me 262 - 2 color photos
DB engine - 1 color photo

<U>The Art of Frank "Gray Eagle" Williamson</U> - 3 color in-flight images

Video Footage

A small video that Matt created for the site, but was not used because of bandwidth issues.

A larger movie showing archive footage of 109's taking off and in flight (with sound). Submitted by Sebastian Schweizer.

Sounds

A nice example of a 109 flypast, gives a great sense of the Daimler Benz's immense power.

Survivors News - News on Bf 109 airframes around the world. One fascinating color photo of 3 Me 262 fuselages.

Airworthy Messerschmit Bf 109 Survivors - Table listing 8 aircraft.

Static/Under Restoration Bf 109 Survivors - Large listing of survivors.

Message Board - Forum requiring membership.

Links - Five listed.

Bibliography - Ten references listed.

Regards,
Richard

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Old 04-13-2001, 01:53 AM
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Much of James Yeowell's Horrido! - The Luftwaffe Research Website either never existed or has been drastically curtailed. What remains essentially are tables of Bf 109 Stammkennzeichen and a listing of Bf 109 survivors & replicas. The website address is:

http://www.yeowell19.freeserve.co.uk/

The sections of interest on this site are:

What's New - The usual site updates. Unfortunately, the site has not been updated since Dec. 1999.

The Messerschmitt Bf 109 Research page

<U>Bf 109 Stammkennzeichen</U> - Tables of Stammkennzeichen for the following ranges:

Stammkennzeichen ??+AA - FL+??

Stammkennzeichen GA+GH - NW+KU

Stammkennzeichen PB+?? - WU+PF

<U>Bf 109 Survivors & Replicas</U> - Information covering aircraft in:

USA
Canada
UK
Finland
Norway
Germany
Poland
Switzerland
Italy
Yugoslavia
South Africa
Australia

Links - Fairly short and a bit out of date.

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Richard
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From within a thread on 12 O'Clock High!:

Tomislav Haramincic
Bf109 GJ+QP
Wed Jan 2 19:56:11 2002


Hi Andreas and Dave,

I have the stkz. "GJ+QP" listed as a Bf109 G-2, WNr.14798, WNF.
Another in the "GJ+Q?" range would be the "GJ+QJ", also G-2, WNr.14792, now marked as Yugoslav White 63 (9663), at display in the Yugoslav museum of aeronautics.

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