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Old 07-22-2004, 01:54 PM
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Christer Bergström
Achtung, alle Karaya-Männer!
Thu Jul 15, 2004 13:40
81.225.209.192

The original Karaya record has been discovered. This is the record which gave name to the most famous Luftwaffe fighter squadron in World War II. The name "Karaya" can be seen under the red heart crest which embellished Messerschmitt 109s flown by aces such as Hermann Graf, Alfred Grislawski, and Erich Hartmann. See:

http://www.graf-grislawski.elknet.pl/karaya.htm

It is planned to have the Karaya song playable next to the Graf & Grislawski rudders at the "Graf & Grislawski department" at Technikmuseum Speyer. Whenever I get the needed means--or technical knowledge--I will give the visitors to the Graf & Grislawski site the possibility to hear the song there too.

All best,

Christer Bergström

http://www.graf-grislawski.elknet.pl/index.htm

http://www.bergstrombooks.elknet.pl/bc-rs/
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Old 07-26-2004, 12:47 PM
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Benoit Douville
Major Battle in the Caucasus Region
Sun Jul 18, 2004 05:40
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Dear Luftwaffe Enthusiast,

I am looking for info involving the Luftwaffe in the Caucasus Region during World War II. What was the major Battle there? Did the Luftwaffe control the region in the offensive summer of 1942???
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Christer Bergström
Air war over the Caucasus 1942 - 1943
Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:31
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There will be a full study of the air war over the Caucasus in 1942 in the forthcoming volume 3 of "Black Cross/Red Star: Air War over the Eastern Front", which will be published by Eagle Editions later this year.

For a an even closer study of German (and Soviet!) fighter pilots in the Caucasus Region in 1942 - 1943, see "Graf & Grislawski: A Pair of Aces".

http://www.graf-grislawski.elknet.pl/index.htm

http://www.bergstrombooks.elknet.pl/bc-rs/

All best,

Christer Bergström
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Old 10-11-2004, 11:49 AM
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Christian Berring
Hermann Graf and a yellow Fw 190?
Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:04
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Hello!
Is it true that Hermann Graf flew a complete yellow Fw 190A
coded G3+SL and it was shot down 27.07.1943???
I have these informations in a book made in 1971. It also states, that the aeroplane is from a JG 2 training unit, but
Graf was never in JG 2.
The book mentioned is "LW colour schemes and markings 1935-45", Aircam aviation series, published by Osprey.
Can newer research help me???
Thank You
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Old 10-11-2004, 11:50 AM
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Christer Bergström
Find it in the Graf & Grislawski book
Sat Sep 11, 2004 11:29
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Christian, although I wrote that book, I would advise you to have a look at the 300-page dual biography on Hermann Graf and Grislawski. That book contains 26 color profiles (by Claes Sundin!) of aircraft flown by Graf & Grislawski, all as a result of close studies of in many case unique photographs. There you will find an explanation as to why the answer question you are looking for is no.

That book also examines the claim that Graf is identical with the "Majot von Graff" which was supposed to have flown that yellow Fw 190. I think that the evidence delivered by the book in that case is quite waterproof.

In any case, please check out the book's website:

http://www.graf-grislawski.elknet.pl/index.htm

All best,

Christer Bergström
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jerry brewer
book
Sat Sep 11, 2004 21:49
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HI,
did you write the luftwaffe c&m aircam books S6 & S8,
or have i read the message wrong ?

if so how were the colours decided on for profiles in the book, i.e. red cowls & rudders on some a/c.

I am most interested in the origins of the use of red in 60/70's luftwaffe profiles , a fascinating subject for me.
Cheers
Jerry
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Old 10-11-2004, 11:51 AM
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Jim P.
Two words - orthochromatic film! (nm)
Sun Sep 12, 2004 10:02
67.242.219.27
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Old 10-11-2004, 11:52 AM
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Christer Bergström
"Graf & Grislawski: A Pair of Aces"
Sat Sep 11, 2004 23:56
81.225.209.226

"did you write the luftwaffe c&m aircam books S6 & S8?"

Nope! All I said was that I wrote the book "Graf & Grislawski: A Pair of Aces" (which was published in 2003).

See:

http://www.graf-grislawski.elknet.pl/index.htm

All best,

Christer Bergström
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jerry brewer
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Sun Sep 12, 2004 09:31
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Hi
sorry my mix up
cheers
jerry
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Christian Berring
Thank You all - I'll order the book!!! (nm)
Sun Sep 12, 2004 11:05
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Old 10-21-2004, 08:55 PM
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Christer Bergström
Graf & Grislawski exhibition in Speyer Technikmuseum
Wed Sep 15, 2004 19:31
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I just couldn't resist this:

Have a look at this:

http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/in...d551050f017d34

Now excellently built models of the aircraft flown by Graf & Grislawski have been added to the original Graf & Grislawski Bf 109 rudders, the photos, my book "Graf & Grislawski" (see the book in the display case), the original Bf 109 G-4, etc which create the frame around the Graf & Grislawski exhibition at Technikmuseum Speyer, the world's largest techical museum.

See also:

http://www.graf-grislawski.elknet.pl/rudderdisplay1.htm

http://www.graf-grislawski.elknet.pl/rudders.htm

http://www.ifnd734.org/Jagdgeschwader52/

Enjoy!

All best,

Christer Bergström
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